1 00:00:05,690 --> 00:00:03,560 so we're gonna start streaming and what 2 00:00:07,639 --> 00:00:05,700 I'm gonna do is I'm gonna play a little 3 00:00:11,570 --> 00:00:07,649 intro music it will take about a minute 4 00:00:13,580 --> 00:00:11,580 so if you can guys couldn't keep it 5 00:00:15,410 --> 00:00:13,590 quiet and then you're not gonna be able 6 00:00:16,609 --> 00:00:15,420 to hear the music so I'll let you know 7 00:00:51,590 --> 00:00:16,619 when it's over I'll just say good 8 00:00:51,600 --> 00:01:21,840 [Music] 9 00:01:27,940 --> 00:01:24,340 good morning everybody this is Frank 10 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:27,950 stalter in Philadelphia hey and this is 11 00:01:34,090 --> 00:01:29,930 James and Olli in Westchester New York 12 00:01:36,940 --> 00:01:34,100 and this is UFO news network Sunday and 13 00:01:37,630 --> 00:01:36,950 it is Sunday in Australia so we're ready 14 00:01:40,750 --> 00:01:37,640 to go 15 00:01:43,390 --> 00:01:40,760 we've got a grant Cameron here with us 16 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:43,400 thanks for joining us grant thanks for 17 00:01:48,970 --> 00:01:46,610 getting us off to perhaps the best 18 00:01:50,290 --> 00:01:48,980 possible start we could ask well thank 19 00:01:51,010 --> 00:01:50,300 you very much for having me I really 20 00:01:54,370 --> 00:01:51,020 appreciate it 21 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:54,380 okay so let's not waste any time let's 22 00:02:02,020 --> 00:01:58,130 get right to the questions grant have 23 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:02,030 you figured out who the the intelligence 24 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:05,090 insider who first approached Harry Reid 25 00:02:09,609 --> 00:02:07,250 and Bob Bigelow about getting the a chip 26 00:02:11,770 --> 00:02:09,619 program started if you have an idea who 27 00:02:16,390 --> 00:02:11,780 that is just yet know that you're 28 00:02:19,540 --> 00:02:16,400 talking about the NSA guy whoever yeah 29 00:02:21,730 --> 00:02:19,550 the intelligence insider no I I don't 30 00:02:25,090 --> 00:02:21,740 know but I eventually I will figure it 31 00:02:26,590 --> 00:02:25,100 out and I we there's a second interview 32 00:02:29,350 --> 00:02:26,600 that people don't know there's a second 33 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:29,360 interview done with Senator Reid hasn't 34 00:02:34,090 --> 00:02:31,130 been made public yet but it may come out 35 00:02:37,210 --> 00:02:34,100 in that okay cuz he was in interviewed 36 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:37,220 by New York magazine yeah recently and 37 00:02:44,260 --> 00:02:41,090 he said that whoever it was has a PhD in 38 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:44,270 physics yeah so that would seem to rule 39 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:46,250 some people out I know you were talking 40 00:02:50,820 --> 00:02:49,250 about maybe it was Jim semi van I was 41 00:02:53,380 --> 00:02:50,830 thinking it might be John Alexander 42 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:53,390 neither of those guys have a degree in 43 00:02:59,920 --> 00:02:55,850 physics yeah my understanding is from 44 00:03:02,990 --> 00:02:59,930 NSA okay it could be a lot of people and 45 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:03,000 there's also the story that it was 46 00:03:09,370 --> 00:03:04,330 [Music] 47 00:03:11,290 --> 00:03:09,380 Department of Defense intelligence that 48 00:03:14,259 --> 00:03:11,300 there was a rumor that somebody there 49 00:03:15,460 --> 00:03:14,269 had approached him but it won't take 50 00:03:16,570 --> 00:03:15,470 long to figure it out I don't think I 51 00:03:18,250 --> 00:03:16,580 and I think he said it was either 52 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:18,260 physics or mathematics I don't know if 53 00:03:23,470 --> 00:03:21,050 it was physics and me and maybe 54 00:03:25,870 --> 00:03:23,480 additionally mathematics I was the quote 55 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:25,880 that I read so there were there are a 56 00:03:30,430 --> 00:03:28,010 few guys who already involved in all 57 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:30,440 this UFOs stuff who kind of fit that 58 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:31,610 description 59 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:34,730 one of them would be how put off you 60 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:36,170 know do you think it's him or not you 61 00:03:41,380 --> 00:03:38,769 think there's a chance it might be him 62 00:03:43,270 --> 00:03:41,390 he has an essay background but that was 63 00:03:45,009 --> 00:03:43,280 many many years ago there's so many 64 00:03:47,289 --> 00:03:45,019 people that people really don't realize 65 00:03:50,380 --> 00:03:47,299 that we're actually involved that people 66 00:03:54,610 --> 00:03:50,390 don't know for example Tom DeLonge has a 67 00:03:56,350 --> 00:03:54,620 high-level general inside National 68 00:03:59,559 --> 00:03:56,360 Reconnaissance Organization I know that 69 00:04:04,150 --> 00:03:59,569 and if you listen back to Tom DeLonge 70 00:04:06,099 --> 00:04:04,160 his interview with Rogen he talks about 71 00:04:10,390 --> 00:04:06,109 being approached right after he puts out 72 00:04:12,819 --> 00:04:10,400 the book secret machines in a in April 73 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:12,829 5th of 2016 he's approached by an 74 00:04:17,500 --> 00:04:14,930 intelligence guy that for sure is some 75 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:17,510 even and any states that he was put in a 76 00:04:22,420 --> 00:04:20,570 room in a hotel room in San Diego and 77 00:04:24,850 --> 00:04:22,430 there was six intelligence agents who 78 00:04:26,590 --> 00:04:24,860 queried him for two days about who are 79 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:26,600 you talking to how do you know this kind 80 00:04:30,550 --> 00:04:28,970 of stuff and once they heard who he was 81 00:04:32,260 --> 00:04:30,560 talking to they were sort of blown away 82 00:04:35,950 --> 00:04:32,270 I guess he was talking about general 83 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:35,960 McCaslin and rot-weiss and all these 84 00:04:42,909 --> 00:04:39,889 guys and then if you look back the story 85 00:04:45,670 --> 00:04:42,919 that's being put out is that Oh Lou 86 00:04:47,980 --> 00:04:45,680 Elizondo came forward he's just retiring 87 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:47,990 and that's how this whole story broke 88 00:04:51,820 --> 00:04:49,490 and it was just the New York Times doing 89 00:04:54,370 --> 00:04:51,830 good reporting which it is not really 90 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:54,380 even close to the truth because there 91 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:55,610 was the New York Times and there was 92 00:04:59,560 --> 00:04:57,410 also the Washington Post we know that 93 00:05:01,750 --> 00:04:59,570 that Blumenthal Finn the from the New 94 00:05:04,150 --> 00:05:01,760 York Times has a Pulitzer Prize you know 95 00:05:05,529 --> 00:05:04,160 40 years at the New York Times but most 96 00:05:07,990 --> 00:05:05,539 people don't realize that the guy it was 97 00:05:10,390 --> 00:05:08,000 at The Washington Post this work I had 98 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:10,400 two Pulitzer Prizes and he was also 99 00:05:16,510 --> 00:05:12,410 shown documents and he was also shown 100 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:16,520 videos when this thing set up and so you 101 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:18,530 look back on that stuff you start going 102 00:05:22,659 --> 00:05:20,570 back and reviewing the old stuff so 103 00:05:24,700 --> 00:05:22,669 you'll go back and review the December 104 00:05:28,089 --> 00:05:24,710 18th New York Times article was written 105 00:05:29,950 --> 00:05:28,099 by Blumenthal and he talks about Leslie 106 00:05:31,270 --> 00:05:29,960 Kane being in a room and it was at 107 00:05:33,790 --> 00:05:31,280 Pentagon City outside the Pentagon 108 00:05:35,860 --> 00:05:33,800 Pentagon City and that there was a 109 00:05:39,909 --> 00:05:35,870 number of intelligence former and 110 00:05:44,950 --> 00:05:39,919 present intelligence officers and a head 111 00:05:45,270 --> 00:05:44,960 of a contractor a major contractor was 112 00:05:47,310 --> 00:05:45,280 in the 113 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:47,320 so you start looking and you realize 114 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:50,050 there's a lot of people I was told Jim 115 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:52,090 Sam even as you know did any with my 116 00:05:58,920 --> 00:05:55,810 associate Melinda 117 00:06:00,330 --> 00:05:58,930 well Melinda and he stated 40-some I'd 118 00:06:01,980 --> 00:06:00,340 heard the same thing there's over 40 119 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:01,990 people involved in this thing and some 120 00:06:06,180 --> 00:06:04,960 of them are just academic people like 121 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:06,190 Diane pisanka 122 00:06:10,110 --> 00:06:09,010 who is sort of involved but not really 123 00:06:11,790 --> 00:06:10,120 involved she's just sort of on the 124 00:06:13,980 --> 00:06:11,800 outskirts they're there as they're 125 00:06:16,379 --> 00:06:13,990 asking for advice from various people on 126 00:06:18,930 --> 00:06:16,389 various subjects and so these are 127 00:06:21,150 --> 00:06:18,940 academics who really don't want to be 128 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:21,160 public because what you see what you're 129 00:06:25,140 --> 00:06:23,530 seeing now is that a lot of them you 130 00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:25,150 take a lot of flack for being in this 131 00:06:30,090 --> 00:06:27,940 subject a lot of them want to help but 132 00:06:32,190 --> 00:06:30,100 they don't want their name out there I'm 133 00:06:38,219 --> 00:06:32,200 sure you could ask Gary Nolan about that 134 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:38,229 he's getting his career go up in flames 135 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:40,570 and I've had contact with him I mean he 136 00:06:43,590 --> 00:06:41,680 really didn't want to talk on the record 137 00:06:45,629 --> 00:06:43,600 but I've had contact with him for for 138 00:06:48,740 --> 00:06:45,639 quite a while because he is actually now 139 00:06:51,780 --> 00:06:48,750 stated that my my interpretation of 140 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:51,790 what's going on is a hundred percent 141 00:06:56,340 --> 00:06:54,370 accurate so and a lot of people think 142 00:06:57,900 --> 00:06:56,350 I'm now I'm a spokesman for them but it 143 00:07:00,210 --> 00:06:57,910 comes down to this consciousness thing 144 00:07:01,650 --> 00:07:00,220 that I have sort of had to contact these 145 00:07:03,029 --> 00:07:01,660 guys and these guys are way farther 146 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:03,039 ahead than people think they are it's 147 00:07:06,690 --> 00:07:04,930 it's not there's a lot of stuff that 148 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:06,700 they're keeping off the record and you 149 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:08,560 can't blame them because the way they 150 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:10,570 describe it to me was there trying to 151 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:13,450 get peer-reviewed papers out and when 152 00:07:17,909 --> 00:07:15,970 you're in that world where the the 153 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:17,919 predominant view is the materialistic 154 00:07:23,790 --> 00:07:21,250 paradigm where there are no UFOs this is 155 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:23,800 totally impossible this is nonsense it's 156 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:25,570 very dangerous for these people to be 157 00:07:31,110 --> 00:07:27,970 trying to get a peer-reviewed paper out 158 00:07:33,090 --> 00:07:31,120 to these very very skeptical scientific 159 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:33,100 people and so I can't blame them that 160 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:34,240 they want to sort of be off the record 161 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:36,370 and get it out there they're trying to 162 00:07:41,340 --> 00:07:39,250 do sort of valuable work in terms of 163 00:07:42,990 --> 00:07:41,350 establishing that there's a reality to 164 00:07:44,370 --> 00:07:43,000 the experience or phenomena that these 165 00:07:45,779 --> 00:07:44,380 people are actually interacting with 166 00:07:48,690 --> 00:07:45,789 somebody with with some sort of 167 00:07:51,779 --> 00:07:48,700 intelligence but you take a big risk in 168 00:07:56,010 --> 00:07:51,789 a world especially like Nolan supposedly 169 00:07:57,990 --> 00:07:56,020 was nominated for a Nobel Prize put up 170 00:07:58,710 --> 00:07:58,000 was nominated twice for the Nobel Prize 171 00:08:00,900 --> 00:07:58,720 so 172 00:08:02,550 --> 00:08:00,910 these are guys who are putting a lot at 173 00:08:04,980 --> 00:08:02,560 stake when they put their name out there 174 00:08:07,140 --> 00:08:04,990 associated with the UFO phenomena and it 175 00:08:08,670 --> 00:08:07,150 takes a while to that that whole lot 176 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:08,680 getting published process it doesn't 177 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:10,690 happen in a week or a month it's not 178 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:13,210 like you know getting a feature into a 179 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:16,570 into a magazine yeah and and I've seen I 180 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:18,130 have an idea some of the stuff that 181 00:08:21,990 --> 00:08:19,690 they're doing and that they're they're 182 00:08:23,820 --> 00:08:22,000 gonna put out and it's pretty solid 183 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:23,830 stuff it's not you know cuz that's what 184 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:26,290 people say to me I always say the basic 185 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:27,850 thing you got watching this phenomenon 186 00:08:33,450 --> 00:08:29,650 now is you know like just four different 187 00:08:34,890 --> 00:08:33,460 aspects to the stars outline there's the 188 00:08:36,870 --> 00:08:34,900 the documents which are going to be 189 00:08:39,930 --> 00:08:36,880 basically theoretical papers on 190 00:08:41,940 --> 00:08:39,940 propulsion which really not going to get 191 00:08:43,409 --> 00:08:41,950 you really very far the videos I say are 192 00:08:45,630 --> 00:08:43,419 total waste of time you can watch those 193 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:45,640 videos for the next 70 years and it's 194 00:08:48,510 --> 00:08:46,690 gonna tell you something is strange 195 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:48,520 going on and we probably didn't build it 196 00:08:51,630 --> 00:08:49,810 but it doesn't that's all it tells you 197 00:08:53,670 --> 00:08:51,640 it doesn't tell you anything and then 198 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:53,680 you have the metal which is is going to 199 00:08:57,510 --> 00:08:55,510 be tell you a little bit more but it 200 00:08:58,920 --> 00:08:57,520 still doesn't tell you who's flying the 201 00:09:01,620 --> 00:08:58,930 craft and where they're from and and 202 00:09:03,150 --> 00:09:01,630 what they want the the only thing that I 203 00:09:05,130 --> 00:09:03,160 say is critically important and they've 204 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:05,140 figured this out is the experiencer 205 00:09:08,820 --> 00:09:06,370 these are the people who are interacting 206 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:08,830 with the phenomena who claim that that 207 00:09:13,050 --> 00:09:11,110 they can bring the phenomena in and 208 00:09:14,670 --> 00:09:13,060 stuff like that so they have spent and I 209 00:09:16,650 --> 00:09:14,680 give them credit they have actually 210 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:16,660 taken this very seriously and they have 211 00:09:21,630 --> 00:09:19,690 set up some some actual tests where they 212 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:21,640 can actually verify that this person's 213 00:09:26,130 --> 00:09:24,010 and experiencers cuz and one perfect 214 00:09:27,540 --> 00:09:26,140 example I can give you is that they like 215 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:27,550 to do is you may know they're doing the 216 00:09:32,250 --> 00:09:30,610 DNA stuff so there's one experience or 217 00:09:34,140 --> 00:09:32,260 who's highly controversial that people 218 00:09:36,900 --> 00:09:34,150 say now it's a scam or whatever now he 219 00:09:38,550 --> 00:09:36,910 has a volunteer at his DNA stuff so 220 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:38,560 you're gonna be able to determine 221 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:39,970 whether this marker exists because 222 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:41,530 apparently every experiencer has this 223 00:09:46,490 --> 00:09:44,410 marker that exists so you can start to 224 00:09:49,079 --> 00:09:46,500 do this kind of stuff where it's not 225 00:09:50,940 --> 00:09:49,089 anecdotal evidence in terms of this 226 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:50,950 person said there so they talk to the 227 00:09:55,290 --> 00:09:52,810 alien or whatever they've actually got 228 00:09:58,050 --> 00:09:55,300 these two markers and one is supposedly 229 00:10:00,570 --> 00:09:58,060 this DNA marker that appears in all 230 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:00,580 highly psychic people and experiencers 231 00:10:04,140 --> 00:10:02,290 and then there's this what the this 232 00:10:06,060 --> 00:10:04,150 brain pattern which is called the 233 00:10:08,329 --> 00:10:06,070 antenna and and that's the important 234 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:08,339 part is that these people are sort of 235 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:12,050 able to interact with this 236 00:10:14,740 --> 00:10:13,370 world of consciousness higher 237 00:10:17,519 --> 00:10:14,750 consciousness whatever we're dealing 238 00:10:19,990 --> 00:10:17,529 with here and that you can actually 239 00:10:21,759 --> 00:10:20,000 verify this is what these I think these 240 00:10:23,470 --> 00:10:21,769 peer-reviewed papers will be is that 241 00:10:24,699 --> 00:10:23,480 these people are actually exhibiting 242 00:10:26,380 --> 00:10:24,709 something you can actually put on a 243 00:10:29,199 --> 00:10:26,390 piece of paper and you can actually 244 00:10:32,079 --> 00:10:29,209 verify you know with numbers and 245 00:10:34,900 --> 00:10:32,089 equations I'm you're referring to the 246 00:10:36,850 --> 00:10:34,910 the the kick Green Gary Nolan study yeah 247 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:36,860 that's the the sort of the the sort of 248 00:10:42,910 --> 00:10:39,050 the was described by Jim semi band is 249 00:10:47,740 --> 00:10:42,920 not really TSS a it's sort of a separate 250 00:10:51,370 --> 00:10:47,750 group and more secret and yeah I believe 251 00:10:53,079 --> 00:10:51,380 have a sponsor and it's them and John 252 00:10:55,780 --> 00:10:53,089 Alexander at one point talked about 253 00:10:57,850 --> 00:10:55,790 having a sponsor so I think he sort of 254 00:11:01,780 --> 00:10:57,860 maybe an advisor to this group and 255 00:11:03,430 --> 00:11:01,790 there's also an engineer at with put off 256 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:03,440 that's involved so there's a bunch of 257 00:11:07,569 --> 00:11:05,510 people I've heard one particular tape 258 00:11:08,829 --> 00:11:07,579 that leaked out there there are a number 259 00:11:10,509 --> 00:11:08,839 of people working on this on this 260 00:11:12,639 --> 00:11:10,519 program with these experiences and 261 00:11:15,460 --> 00:11:12,649 that's sort of known as this thing with 262 00:11:17,350 --> 00:11:15,470 kid green who you know you look at the 263 00:11:18,970 --> 00:11:17,360 two guys that are in involved in this 264 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:18,980 program you know Nolan you've already 265 00:11:25,269 --> 00:11:21,170 mentioned but if you look at kit green 266 00:11:27,819 --> 00:11:25,279 and he'll put off these two guys may 267 00:11:29,380 --> 00:11:27,829 have the longest held top-secret a CIA 268 00:11:30,730 --> 00:11:29,390 security clearance in the country 269 00:11:32,230 --> 00:11:30,740 they've had top secret NSA attic 270 00:11:34,060 --> 00:11:32,240 security clearances since the late 271 00:11:35,949 --> 00:11:34,070 nineteen sixty so these are guys who 272 00:11:37,329 --> 00:11:35,959 have been involved in the remote viewing 273 00:11:39,940 --> 00:11:37,339 program and I think they've sort of 274 00:11:41,230 --> 00:11:39,950 dragged remote viewing into the sort of 275 00:11:42,790 --> 00:11:41,240 thing they're sort of throwing 276 00:11:46,420 --> 00:11:42,800 everything that they can think of at 277 00:11:47,650 --> 00:11:46,430 this problem of the experiencers and the 278 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:47,660 information that they may be walking 279 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:49,910 around with in their heads well that 280 00:11:54,190 --> 00:11:52,610 makes me almost like sorry about that 281 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:54,200 that makes to the Stars Academy almost 282 00:11:59,199 --> 00:11:57,410 like the tip of the iceberg yeah it did 283 00:12:00,819 --> 00:11:59,209 the way I look at to the Stars is just 284 00:12:04,630 --> 00:12:00,829 it was just a platform that was set up 285 00:12:07,150 --> 00:12:04,640 by Tom DeLonge and Tom DeLonge is is not 286 00:12:09,370 --> 00:12:07,160 a researcher he's not a you follow just 287 00:12:11,740 --> 00:12:09,380 training area he's basically a media guy 288 00:12:14,380 --> 00:12:11,750 so he wants to do movies he wants to do 289 00:12:15,910 --> 00:12:14,390 cartoons he wants to do books he's you 290 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:15,920 know that's his thing he's selling toys 291 00:12:21,699 --> 00:12:19,130 and all this kind of and and so that's 292 00:12:23,530 --> 00:12:21,709 his thing he set up the program where 293 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:23,540 these guys are operating but these guys 294 00:12:28,420 --> 00:12:25,850 are basically I think running the show 295 00:12:30,430 --> 00:12:28,430 there's a number of them that are doing 296 00:12:32,079 --> 00:12:30,440 this and one of the things I always try 297 00:12:33,629 --> 00:12:32,089 to point out to people when they're 298 00:12:35,740 --> 00:12:33,639 looking at to the Stars Academy is 299 00:12:37,389 --> 00:12:35,750 everybody keeps saying well you know Tom 300 00:12:39,309 --> 00:12:37,399 DeLonge set this thing up and I keep 301 00:12:41,050 --> 00:12:39,319 saying if you believe that you're going 302 00:12:43,030 --> 00:12:41,060 down the wrong road you're gonna get all 303 00:12:46,210 --> 00:12:43,040 sorts of stuff wrong Tom DeLonge did not 304 00:12:49,329 --> 00:12:46,220 set this thing up he started making the 305 00:12:51,939 --> 00:12:49,339 queries with this guy from from Lockheed 306 00:12:53,769 --> 00:12:51,949 but they set him up this is exactly Bill 307 00:12:56,829 --> 00:12:53,779 Moore of the 1980s exactly the same 308 00:12:58,870 --> 00:12:56,839 thing where he sort of indicated that he 309 00:13:02,920 --> 00:12:58,880 had some some input he had some power 310 00:13:05,499 --> 00:13:02,930 and he made this contact to this one guy 311 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:05,509 at Lockheed then that guy invited him to 312 00:13:11,079 --> 00:13:07,610 this party that was being held at lock 313 00:13:12,819 --> 00:13:11,089 at the Lockheed family's in the parking 314 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:12,829 lot he was asked to introduce the 315 00:13:16,870 --> 00:13:15,529 president and he said okay I got to talk 316 00:13:19,150 --> 00:13:16,880 to this guy for five minutes then he 317 00:13:21,490 --> 00:13:19,160 gets invited to area 51 they sent him to 318 00:13:23,230 --> 00:13:21,500 Pentagon City outside of Washington for 319 00:13:25,180 --> 00:13:23,240 this this meeting with these two 320 00:13:28,389 --> 00:13:25,190 intelligence guys they sent him to NASA 321 00:13:31,829 --> 00:13:28,399 NASA sends him to Ames then he meets the 322 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:31,839 general then he goes to he gets sent to 323 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:35,810 to Nora to the Space Command in Colorado 324 00:13:39,850 --> 00:13:37,910 and they basically move him around and 325 00:13:41,230 --> 00:13:39,860 set up this team for him he did not set 326 00:13:43,449 --> 00:13:41,240 up the team doesn't mean that he didn't 327 00:13:45,069 --> 00:13:43,459 do something significant and you know 328 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:45,079 handled it properly when he got it but 329 00:13:48,790 --> 00:13:46,610 they basically set up the team all these 330 00:13:51,370 --> 00:13:48,800 people knew each other before it was all 331 00:13:54,009 --> 00:13:51,380 before Tom DeLonge got involved and he's 332 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:54,019 just a platform that they can use to get 333 00:13:59,439 --> 00:13:57,050 out a message to young people and to 334 00:14:01,179 --> 00:13:59,449 help this gradual climate error 335 00:14:04,030 --> 00:14:01,189 confirmation that's what I'm saying has 336 00:14:05,379 --> 00:14:04,040 happened this confirmation and so what 337 00:14:08,590 --> 00:14:05,389 they have done is they've used Tom 338 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:08,600 DeLong's platform and that he set up to 339 00:14:13,809 --> 00:14:11,930 operate and what they have done is they 340 00:14:15,730 --> 00:14:13,819 have done absolutely I can guarantee you 341 00:14:17,050 --> 00:14:15,740 they've done confirmation not disclosure 342 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:17,060 everything's they keep using this word 343 00:14:20,829 --> 00:14:19,610 disclosure and what I say is you have to 344 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:20,839 go back if you understand what's going 345 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:22,250 on to go go back to an interview that 346 00:14:27,550 --> 00:14:25,490 was done by Bob Bigelow in 2013 on coast 347 00:14:29,769 --> 00:14:27,560 to coast with George now George Knapp 348 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:29,779 says I think something's going on and I 349 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:31,730 think if anybody knows what's going on 350 00:14:35,079 --> 00:14:33,769 things have changed it's Bob Bigelow so 351 00:14:36,910 --> 00:14:35,089 then he starts interviewing Bob Bigelow 352 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:36,920 and he said are you in favor of 353 00:14:42,050 --> 00:14:39,570 disclosure and Bob Bigelow said no I'm 354 00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:42,060 and he said well what what do you what 355 00:14:44,749 --> 00:14:43,680 do you think and he said well we need 356 00:14:46,129 --> 00:14:44,759 confirmation 357 00:14:48,199 --> 00:14:46,139 we don't need disclosure we need 358 00:14:51,019 --> 00:14:48,209 confirmation what we need is to tell the 359 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:51,029 American people that UFOs are real and 360 00:14:54,889 --> 00:14:52,769 stop right there 361 00:14:56,210 --> 00:14:54,899 disclosure will come a number of years 362 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:56,220 down the road that's what we need and 363 00:14:59,900 --> 00:14:58,050 that is what they did if you look at 364 00:15:01,850 --> 00:14:59,910 what happened October the 11th news 365 00:15:07,249 --> 00:15:01,860 conference and then particularly the 366 00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:07,259 December 16th media story which was done 367 00:15:11,090 --> 00:15:09,120 by three different media's people forget 368 00:15:12,410 --> 00:15:11,100 this as well it wasn't just the New York 369 00:15:13,790 --> 00:15:12,420 Times it was New York Times Washington 370 00:15:16,370 --> 00:15:13,800 Post on Politico 371 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:16,380 all three media outlets had really not 372 00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:18,810 done UFO stories and suddenly they all 373 00:15:23,809 --> 00:15:21,060 the same morning go out and what they 374 00:15:26,449 --> 00:15:23,819 did there is they did confirmation they 375 00:15:29,620 --> 00:15:26,459 basically said the US government says 376 00:15:31,699 --> 00:15:29,630 this is for real we have these things we 377 00:15:32,210 --> 00:15:31,709 that are flying around we don't know 378 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:32,220 what they are 379 00:15:35,569 --> 00:15:34,290 we're investigating this but we're not 380 00:15:37,550 --> 00:15:35,579 saying it's alien we're not saying it's 381 00:15:38,809 --> 00:15:37,560 et and they said that's what Bigelow was 382 00:15:40,579 --> 00:15:38,819 saying you stop right there 383 00:15:42,530 --> 00:15:40,589 you don't go and alien so you don't go 384 00:15:44,420 --> 00:15:42,540 into where they're from what the mission 385 00:15:45,860 --> 00:15:44,430 is cattle mutilations abductions all 386 00:15:46,939 --> 00:15:45,870 that kinda stuff you just stop right 387 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:46,949 there and that's what they've done they 388 00:15:51,740 --> 00:15:49,110 did confirmation they drop the story 389 00:15:53,660 --> 00:15:51,750 that the American government is involved 390 00:15:55,550 --> 00:15:53,670 in UFOs UFOs are real and they stopped 391 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:55,560 right there and so what they have done 392 00:16:00,590 --> 00:15:57,810 is that basically why I say they fired 393 00:16:01,939 --> 00:16:00,600 the UFO community you're he's upset 394 00:16:03,620 --> 00:16:01,949 they're saying well why didn't they 395 00:16:05,509 --> 00:16:03,630 explain why didn't explain this why 396 00:16:07,730 --> 00:16:05,519 don't they do this because they don't 397 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:07,740 care about us they don't care about the 398 00:16:11,090 --> 00:16:09,690 UFO community they bypass this and and 399 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:11,100 in some of the interactions I've had 400 00:16:16,370 --> 00:16:13,649 with some of these people associated 401 00:16:19,370 --> 00:16:16,380 with to the Stars every contact starts 402 00:16:21,980 --> 00:16:19,380 the same way these conspiratorial you 403 00:16:23,420 --> 00:16:21,990 know theories and the UFO community and 404 00:16:25,730 --> 00:16:23,430 stuff and it they're all on the same 405 00:16:28,009 --> 00:16:25,740 party line it's like ignore these people 406 00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:28,019 they are just a pile of trouble and it's 407 00:16:32,929 --> 00:16:31,260 true because remember if you remember 408 00:16:35,090 --> 00:16:32,939 back no it wasn't in the interview that 409 00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:35,100 with Melinda we put it on on YouTube but 410 00:16:39,199 --> 00:16:36,720 she thought it was part of the interview 411 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:39,209 but it wasn't it was I found out from 412 00:16:43,610 --> 00:16:41,850 her later that Jim had said to her do 413 00:16:45,290 --> 00:16:43,620 you remember back Lou Alessandro the big 414 00:16:48,350 --> 00:16:45,300 thing was Lou Elizondo was gonna go to 415 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:48,360 UFO Congress and he was he was then 416 00:16:51,290 --> 00:16:50,010 suddenly it was like oh he can't go 417 00:16:53,820 --> 00:16:51,300 because there's his medical thing there 418 00:16:59,290 --> 00:16:53,830 may have been a medical thing going on 419 00:17:01,240 --> 00:16:59,300 but then the UFO Congress said ok we'll 420 00:17:02,830 --> 00:17:01,250 we'll interview and we'll fly to the 421 00:17:03,670 --> 00:17:02,840 place and we'll got all these questions 422 00:17:06,460 --> 00:17:03,680 from all these people and we'll 423 00:17:08,140 --> 00:17:06,470 interview them and to the stars said no 424 00:17:10,180 --> 00:17:08,150 you sent us the question we'll interview 425 00:17:12,190 --> 00:17:10,190 him and so they got to pick the question 426 00:17:13,810 --> 00:17:12,200 that's what I call when I wrote the book 427 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:13,820 managing magic that's what's managed you 428 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:16,130 magic that's to manage the story you 429 00:17:21,130 --> 00:17:17,930 control the story you control how it's 430 00:17:23,650 --> 00:17:21,140 coming out you don't let some reporter 431 00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:23,660 who may have some vested interest in 432 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:25,520 asking tough questions to ask the 433 00:17:29,470 --> 00:17:27,770 question so Jim semi Vann actually told 434 00:17:33,010 --> 00:17:29,480 that to Melinda Leslie that the reason 435 00:17:35,020 --> 00:17:33,020 that John that Lou Elizondo didn't go to 436 00:17:38,410 --> 00:17:35,030 UFO Congress is because he was told not 437 00:17:41,530 --> 00:17:38,420 to go and Melinda if you interview her 438 00:17:43,870 --> 00:17:41,540 she'll tell you who it was that told him 439 00:17:46,060 --> 00:17:43,880 not to go wasn't Jim sent me back but it 440 00:17:48,670 --> 00:17:46,070 made sense because what he was told was 441 00:17:50,170 --> 00:17:48,680 if you go to Congress and you open 442 00:17:52,780 --> 00:17:50,180 yourself up you're gonna get also two 443 00:17:54,580 --> 00:17:52,790 hardball questions about things that 444 00:17:58,330 --> 00:17:54,590 maybe we don't want to talk about right 445 00:18:00,280 --> 00:17:58,340 now and when you answer those questions 446 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:00,290 you're a counterintelligence officer 447 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:01,730 with the Department of Defense they're 448 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:03,410 not gonna believe you anyway so why go 449 00:18:07,950 --> 00:18:05,930 through it and I know there is this sort 450 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:07,960 of thing that the UFO community is 451 00:18:13,690 --> 00:18:09,890 they're always asking these questions 452 00:18:15,340 --> 00:18:13,700 and we're sort of like there's every 453 00:18:16,690 --> 00:18:15,350 theory in the world all sorts of crazy 454 00:18:18,370 --> 00:18:16,700 theories and you have to deal with all 455 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:18,380 the crazy stuff so what you do is you 456 00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:20,210 manage the magic you manage the story 457 00:18:24,580 --> 00:18:22,400 you make it come out the way you want so 458 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:24,590 you go to the New York Times you go to 459 00:18:28,540 --> 00:18:26,210 Washington Post you go to political and 460 00:18:30,340 --> 00:18:28,550 you say we got this story and all three 461 00:18:32,620 --> 00:18:30,350 of them did if you if you take a look 462 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:32,630 what's happening now we cannot get any 463 00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:34,130 confirmation of this thing we cannot get 464 00:18:37,300 --> 00:18:35,600 any confirmation if there's an eight put 465 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:37,310 tip program we cannot get in 466 00:18:41,290 --> 00:18:39,170 confirmation that there's any documents 467 00:18:43,420 --> 00:18:41,300 the Department of Defense has said 468 00:18:45,970 --> 00:18:43,430 repeatedly we did not release any videos 469 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:45,980 so it's a dead end but the thing is that 470 00:18:49,810 --> 00:18:48,170 politically that political Washington 471 00:18:51,910 --> 00:18:49,820 Post and New York Times ran with the 472 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:51,920 story they would not have run with the 473 00:18:56,530 --> 00:18:54,050 story unless they had two independent 474 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:56,540 sources inside the Pentagon who verified 475 00:18:59,830 --> 00:18:58,610 this thing was for real so what they've 476 00:19:03,040 --> 00:18:59,840 done is they've gone to the media 477 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:03,050 they've said off the record this thing's 478 00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,450 for real so all three media run with the 479 00:19:10,010 --> 00:19:07,200 story they put out the video 480 00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:10,020 and the UFO community can't confirm it 481 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:11,760 but what you get is if you look at the 482 00:19:16,220 --> 00:19:14,610 story CNN Fox all these people it's the 483 00:19:17,660 --> 00:19:16,230 same thing they've got the media on a 484 00:19:19,220 --> 00:19:17,670 leash they've got him exactly where they 485 00:19:21,530 --> 00:19:19,230 want him because the story always starts 486 00:19:23,870 --> 00:19:21,540 the same for example the third video 487 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:23,880 that came out so you get CNN Fox so they 488 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:26,010 write the story they say oh the Defense 489 00:19:30,620 --> 00:19:28,050 Department has released another UFO 490 00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:30,630 video and it's not true is it's but 491 00:19:33,620 --> 00:19:32,160 that's the way the story is now being 492 00:19:35,780 --> 00:19:33,630 spun is that the government is doing 493 00:19:38,030 --> 00:19:35,790 UFOs and they're releasing these videos 494 00:19:40,940 --> 00:19:38,040 and yet when you try to confirm it as 495 00:19:42,860 --> 00:19:40,950 part of a UFO community research effort 496 00:19:46,190 --> 00:19:42,870 you cannot confirm any of it I mean John 497 00:19:47,900 --> 00:19:46,200 Greenwald who's the expert 8000 fos is 498 00:19:51,290 --> 00:19:47,910 absolutely stonewalled he cannot get 499 00:19:54,290 --> 00:19:51,300 anything and is very frustrated Robert 500 00:19:59,150 --> 00:19:54,300 Powell has been filing for a couple 501 00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:59,160 years I had the reporter who did fast 502 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:00,720 the first question of Hillary Clinton 503 00:20:05,090 --> 00:20:03,450 Damon steer in New Hampshire he filed 504 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:05,100 right away I talked to him right when 505 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:06,810 this event happened and said can you 506 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:08,730 file fo a he phoned the Defense 507 00:20:13,610 --> 00:20:11,370 Department before he filed and this is 508 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:13,620 back in December and they said I'm sorry 509 00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:15,570 sir we did not release any video and he 510 00:20:20,540 --> 00:20:18,000 said well who do I file the FOI with and 511 00:20:22,340 --> 00:20:20,550 they said sorry sir we cannot help you 512 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:22,350 we did not we don't know we did not 513 00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:24,450 release any video so that's basically 514 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:25,740 what they've done is they've managed the 515 00:20:30,290 --> 00:20:28,710 story by putting it through reporters 516 00:20:31,910 --> 00:20:30,300 who are off the record as to who 517 00:20:34,460 --> 00:20:31,920 confirmed this thing to them inside the 518 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:34,470 Pentagon and now everybody in America 519 00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,570 and I bet you with this confirmation 520 00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:38,640 I'll bet you it's five to ten percent of 521 00:20:42,860 --> 00:20:40,860 people in America who have changed their 522 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:42,870 opinion where they now say why the 523 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:44,310 government's doing your host you know 524 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:46,110 it's for real they've they've shifted 525 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:48,210 the opinion of the public and down the 526 00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:50,250 road they may go to the next step of 527 00:20:55,910 --> 00:20:53,280 what's actually going on well I real 528 00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:55,920 quick grant as far as those videos are 529 00:21:03,260 --> 00:20:59,580 concerned the they go fast and the 530 00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:03,270 gimbal videos the the same voices on 531 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:05,760 there saying my gosh 532 00:21:13,970 --> 00:21:10,050 there is a readout that I to the best of 533 00:21:16,540 --> 00:21:13,980 my knowledge relates to the infrared 534 00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:16,550 setting in nanometers 535 00:21:22,129 --> 00:21:19,440 1688 on both videos do you 536 00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:22,139 know whether or not those two videos are 537 00:21:28,669 --> 00:21:25,679 from the same incident the gimbal and 538 00:21:31,779 --> 00:21:28,679 the go the gimbal on the go fast 539 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:31,789 they both are yeah I think they're both 540 00:21:37,549 --> 00:21:35,129 the 5th 15th off the East Coast that's 541 00:21:40,220 --> 00:21:37,559 was the rumors story well what I think 542 00:21:44,570 --> 00:21:40,230 they may have done and and when when 543 00:21:47,869 --> 00:21:44,580 they defer stood the the news conference 544 00:21:49,639 --> 00:21:47,879 October the 11th I and other people knew 545 00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:49,649 that that that nimitz video had already 546 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:52,559 been out in 2007 right so when I did one 547 00:21:56,379 --> 00:21:53,850 of my updates I actually played the 548 00:22:00,740 --> 00:21:56,389 nimitz video because I got this Juliano 549 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:00,750 Mary Kovac in in Europe who's absolutely 550 00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,610 knows where every video and audio and 551 00:22:07,340 --> 00:22:04,559 everything he's absolutely fantastic 552 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:07,350 guys good he told me were were the 553 00:22:10,879 --> 00:22:08,730 archives were to find this thing so I 554 00:22:14,539 --> 00:22:10,889 pulled it and I played it and what you 555 00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:14,549 see is if you see the the video released 556 00:22:17,659 --> 00:22:15,960 by to the stars like they're saying oh 557 00:22:19,869 --> 00:22:17,669 no that's one of the things they said 558 00:22:22,460 --> 00:22:19,879 was when is the UFO community going to 559 00:22:22,669 --> 00:22:22,470 get to the fact that this thing's for 560 00:22:24,919 --> 00:22:22,679 real 561 00:22:27,019 --> 00:22:24,929 and quit questioning these videos like a 562 00:22:28,909 --> 00:22:27,029 bunch of conspiratorial didn't have Paul 563 00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:28,919 hat guys and that was kind of reaction I 564 00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,600 was getting from them it's this party 565 00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:32,159 line it's like the UFO community is just 566 00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,710 a you know a pain that they're hard to 567 00:22:38,110 --> 00:22:36,480 deal with and we don't need to deal with 568 00:22:41,210 --> 00:22:38,120 them we don't need to prove it to them 569 00:22:44,509 --> 00:22:41,220 but when I played the the nimitz video 570 00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:44,519 in October on one of my updates then you 571 00:22:47,629 --> 00:22:46,200 played that to the stars that has that 572 00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,639 vacuum cleaner thing going in the 573 00:22:51,529 --> 00:22:49,919 background and when Erik Davis was asked 574 00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:51,539 about it he said well that was an 575 00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:53,940 open-mic the guy left his mic open but 576 00:22:57,019 --> 00:22:55,980 all three videos have that boat noise in 577 00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:57,029 background so what we're saying all 578 00:23:03,619 --> 00:23:00,720 three f18 top fighter pilot guys left 579 00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:03,629 their mics open over like 11 years or 580 00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:05,700 whatever and what I think it's like the 581 00:23:10,580 --> 00:23:07,919 when I wrote managing magic cuz I say 582 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:10,590 this has been going on since 1947 583 00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,610 they've been doing this they've been 584 00:23:14,779 --> 00:23:13,200 gradually there are people inside the 585 00:23:16,909 --> 00:23:14,789 government who want this story out so 586 00:23:18,769 --> 00:23:16,919 they're gradually leaking this stuff but 587 00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:18,779 what you do is I call it the high hurdle 588 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:21,840 is when you've got a legitimate video 589 00:23:26,299 --> 00:23:24,450 how do you get it out Lou Elizondo 590 00:23:28,609 --> 00:23:26,309 doesn't get the videos when he walks out 591 00:23:30,379 --> 00:23:28,619 of the you know quits in discussed with 592 00:23:32,419 --> 00:23:30,389 the Defense Department they don't give 593 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:32,429 you the videos though the UFO videos as 594 00:23:35,310 --> 00:23:33,010 a goodbye 595 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:35,320 how do you get the videos out how do you 596 00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,690 get the medal out because this stuff is 597 00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:39,520 gonna be classified in and you have to 598 00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,360 get make a move so acclimatization means 599 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:46,000 that you release it by altering it and 600 00:23:49,140 --> 00:23:47,410 that's what I believe happened with all 601 00:23:51,150 --> 00:23:49,150 the mj-12 documents and all this kind of 602 00:23:52,860 --> 00:23:51,160 stuff it was it was the whole thing was 603 00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,870 for real but what you do is you alter 604 00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:54,880 the document all you have to do is alter 605 00:23:58,919 --> 00:23:56,710 one or two words or something like that 606 00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,929 you spin the thing and then you can say 607 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:01,360 it's a hoax it's not true and even Tom 608 00:24:04,890 --> 00:24:03,130 DeLonge if you listen to him he says he 609 00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,900 was told that's how it's done I've said 610 00:24:10,020 --> 00:24:06,880 for 20 years as oh it's done so what you 611 00:24:11,580 --> 00:24:10,030 do is you release a piece of of material 612 00:24:13,860 --> 00:24:11,590 and then you release the 613 00:24:15,450 --> 00:24:13,870 counterintelligence stuff that makes it 614 00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,460 spin around so nobody knows what's 615 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:17,679 what's real so like in terms of area 51 616 00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:21,130 you show this stuff to Bob Lazar and 617 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:22,990 he's got he's got this bad background 618 00:24:26,940 --> 00:24:24,730 but they're releasing it through John 619 00:24:28,830 --> 00:24:26,950 Lear so nobody's gonna believe John Lear 620 00:24:30,210 --> 00:24:28,840 John Lear is telling the story nobody 621 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:30,220 believes it cuz it's John Lear telling 622 00:24:34,409 --> 00:24:32,410 the story then suddenly George Knapp 623 00:24:36,780 --> 00:24:34,419 gets involved because he's missing a 624 00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:36,790 guest on one show in the spring of 1989 625 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:39,910 you put Bob Lazar on now it's you know 626 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:41,650 this Emmy award-winning guy who's doing 627 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:43,450 it not John Lear telling the story and 628 00:24:45,870 --> 00:24:45,130 suddenly the story goes viral it gets 629 00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:45,880 out of control 630 00:24:48,930 --> 00:24:47,230 so this is what they do is they put it 631 00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,940 out they take the information you 632 00:24:51,870 --> 00:24:50,799 surround it with disinformation and that 633 00:24:54,270 --> 00:24:51,880 may be what they're doing with the video 634 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:54,280 is they change they alter it's the same 635 00:25:00,299 --> 00:24:56,410 video but what you do is they put either 636 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:00,309 a goofy guy talking or you put some 637 00:25:04,380 --> 00:25:02,290 sound in the background so you can say 638 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:04,390 no we did not not release that video 639 00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:06,970 that's that's a fake video and yet it's 640 00:25:10,409 --> 00:25:09,070 the real it's the real video so what 641 00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:10,419 you're doing is you're you're 642 00:25:14,850 --> 00:25:12,820 controlling managing the magic 643 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:14,860 controlling the message making it come 644 00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:17,049 out slowly because it is as I said 645 00:25:20,909 --> 00:25:18,400 there's only three options you can do 646 00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,919 you can disclose East and the President 647 00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:22,240 of the United States out and you say 648 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:23,590 this thing's for real or they head to 649 00:25:28,620 --> 00:25:26,770 the CIA you put out the videos you show 650 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:28,630 them the craft the body so you have big 651 00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:30,490 news conference they're not disclosing 652 00:25:34,380 --> 00:25:31,960 no matter what anybody says they're not 653 00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:34,390 disclosing and they are not covering up 654 00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:35,679 because if they want to cover up they do 655 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:37,150 it every other country in the world is 656 00:25:39,690 --> 00:25:38,530 doing and shut your mouth and quit 657 00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:39,700 talking about it this story would go 658 00:25:45,419 --> 00:25:42,790 away you don't cover up by saying you 659 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:45,429 know I had having a Ferrum with my wife 660 00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:46,450 so what I'll 661 00:25:49,620 --> 00:25:47,860 I'll go to my wife and I'll tell her I'm 662 00:25:50,670 --> 00:25:49,630 having an affair with Betty and she 663 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:50,680 won't know I'm having an affair with 664 00:25:54,540 --> 00:25:52,330 Mary I mean it doesn't make any sense to 665 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:54,550 run around and tell people that you're 666 00:25:57,540 --> 00:25:55,690 doing this kind of stuff because all it 667 00:25:58,740 --> 00:25:57,550 does is invite more questions what 668 00:26:00,960 --> 00:25:58,750 they're doing is something in between 669 00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:00,970 they're doing this this sort of gradual 670 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:03,760 release and the way you control the 671 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:06,370 material the release is the material 672 00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,410 isn't clean so people really don't know 673 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:10,240 you and I will be fighting or the 674 00:26:14,340 --> 00:26:12,370 example I always show is the one with 675 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:14,350 the Holloman Air Force Base film which I 676 00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,330 worked on helped put off worked on Erik 677 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:18,880 Davis worked on a number of us for many 678 00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:20,650 years were very interested because there 679 00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,390 was a reliable source that said this 680 00:26:26,730 --> 00:26:25,120 thing was for real and that in a 1975 681 00:26:29,180 --> 00:26:26,740 documentary they put eight seconds of 682 00:26:31,860 --> 00:26:29,190 the video in the in the in the 683 00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:31,870 documentary so we were chasing this 684 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:35,110 thing around and so the the original 685 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:36,730 date that was given to Bob a maneger one 686 00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,130 of the producers was May of 1971 687 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:41,200 so then Richard Doty has a meeting with 688 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:44,170 Linda Howe in April of 83 and he said no 689 00:26:49,260 --> 00:26:46,690 no it wasn't May of 71 it was April of 690 00:26:50,940 --> 00:26:49,270 64 so now you have you know me and Linda 691 00:26:52,140 --> 00:26:50,950 telling two different stories they never 692 00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:52,150 he goes well you know I had said some 693 00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,350 big hoax because it's two different 694 00:26:58,620 --> 00:26:55,840 stories and and nobody knows that's what 695 00:27:00,720 --> 00:26:58,630 they do they sort of spin the story so 696 00:27:02,130 --> 00:27:00,730 that the material isn't coming out clean 697 00:27:04,110 --> 00:27:02,140 but they are trying to get the material 698 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:04,120 out but to trying to release it slowly 699 00:27:08,190 --> 00:27:05,890 so it doesn't get out of control because 700 00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:08,200 once it gets out of control you may lose 701 00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:10,710 control of the story and then suddenly 702 00:27:17,580 --> 00:27:12,760 you're between a rock and a hard place 703 00:27:19,650 --> 00:27:17,590 and now you're it's um it's it's it's in 704 00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:19,660 a situation where you're being asked 705 00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:21,400 questions and suddenly everybody's at 706 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:23,350 the white house demanding the president 707 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:24,730 answer questions about this and that so 708 00:27:27,780 --> 00:27:26,410 that's why I believe what they're doing 709 00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:27,790 they're doing this gradual disclosure 710 00:27:32,460 --> 00:27:29,980 thing trying to manage the magic trying 711 00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:32,470 to slowly release this story and tell 712 00:27:36,660 --> 00:27:34,660 the American people what's going on why 713 00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:36,670 do you think that the White House press 714 00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,950 corps gave up on asking about this 715 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:40,480 because remember they did at the one 716 00:27:45,870 --> 00:27:43,330 press conference the one fella Jordan I 717 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:45,880 believe his name was yeah asked at first 718 00:27:50,610 --> 00:27:48,490 and then there were there was no 719 00:27:52,410 --> 00:27:50,620 follow-up at all and I thought just on 720 00:27:54,420 --> 00:27:52,420 principle they'd follow up on something 721 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:54,430 like that and they didn't yeah that 722 00:27:59,310 --> 00:27:56,770 that's there's actually was three may it 723 00:28:00,419 --> 00:27:59,320 started May the 10th of 2016 when 724 00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,429 Hillary was 725 00:28:03,239 --> 00:28:01,600 was running around saying she was gonna 726 00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:03,249 disclose and the New York Times did 727 00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,230 their first sort of straight-up piece on 728 00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:07,360 May the 10th on the 11th that's when the 729 00:28:12,210 --> 00:28:08,799 first two reporter stepped up and said 730 00:28:13,739 --> 00:28:12,220 Oh Hillary's gonna disclose is Obama 731 00:28:16,350 --> 00:28:13,749 gonna beat him to the punch I mean is 732 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:16,360 Obama gonna disclose before Hillary gets 733 00:28:21,389 --> 00:28:18,730 into office and that's when the the 734 00:28:23,159 --> 00:28:21,399 second press secretary said I don't have 735 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:23,169 a tab in my briefing book for that and 736 00:28:25,859 --> 00:28:24,490 that was true I mean he he hadn't been 737 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:25,869 briefed on it so that's how he sort of 738 00:28:33,539 --> 00:28:28,210 walked around it and then on the 16th 739 00:28:34,649 --> 00:28:33,549 this April Ryan April 16 2016 she asked 740 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:34,659 the question what about Roswell is 741 00:28:38,220 --> 00:28:36,610 Roswell classified and then he starts to 742 00:28:39,509 --> 00:28:38,230 take a drink of water just look look 743 00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,519 you're doing the dance you're trying to 744 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:40,960 avoid me or you're trying to you're 745 00:28:43,859 --> 00:28:41,769 trying to figure out what you're gonna 746 00:28:45,389 --> 00:28:43,869 say and you're not gonna get away with 747 00:28:47,999 --> 00:28:45,399 it and then the press secretary says 748 00:28:51,629 --> 00:28:48,009 well April you just keep trying and and 749 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:51,639 then Fabian asked the question this year 750 00:28:58,739 --> 00:28:54,490 and the press secretary says to him 751 00:29:00,269 --> 00:28:58,749 walks around it by saying well I haven't 752 00:29:02,909 --> 00:29:00,279 talked to the president about that yet 753 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:02,919 but I'll ask him and get back to you 754 00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:06,129 and Fabian releases that later after the 755 00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:08,950 news conference he went to Sarah Sanders 756 00:29:13,379 --> 00:29:11,110 and she said we knew that question might 757 00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:13,389 be coming that there's a possibility but 758 00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:14,710 we didn't think anybody would ask the 759 00:29:19,379 --> 00:29:16,899 question so she actually confirmed it so 760 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:19,389 I contacted Fabian back a couple of 761 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:22,330 times and said did did she get back to 762 00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:23,730 you because that's what she said I'll 763 00:29:29,580 --> 00:29:26,409 talk to the president and get back to 764 00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:29,590 you and the reason I think that that the 765 00:29:33,149 --> 00:29:31,600 White House is not doing it is because I 766 00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:33,159 always maintained that the president is 767 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:34,809 the Wizard of Oz the president is the 768 00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,850 guy running to cover up and plausible 769 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:39,279 deniability for every reason in the 770 00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:40,690 world you've got to keep the president 771 00:29:43,470 --> 00:29:42,100 out of it because if everybody realizes 772 00:29:45,869 --> 00:29:43,480 the President of the United States is 773 00:29:47,999 --> 00:29:45,879 running the cover-up it's over I mean he 774 00:29:49,409 --> 00:29:48,009 said he descends on the White House so 775 00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:49,419 you have this thing that the president's 776 00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:51,820 an idiot he doesn't know about Russia he 777 00:29:54,749 --> 00:29:53,230 doesn't know about iran-contra he 778 00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,759 doesn't know about whitewater he doesn't 779 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:56,320 know about Monica Lewinsky he doesn't 780 00:29:59,549 --> 00:29:58,210 know about UFOs he doesn't he only knows 781 00:30:00,720 --> 00:29:59,559 about good stories things that happened 782 00:30:02,489 --> 00:30:00,730 good that the president knows that 783 00:30:03,899 --> 00:30:02,499 anything is bad the president you have 784 00:30:06,330 --> 00:30:03,909 this plausible deniability where you 785 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:06,340 sort of protect the president so what 786 00:30:08,849 --> 00:30:07,570 they're doing is they're protecting the 787 00:30:10,769 --> 00:30:08,859 president what happens in the White 788 00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:10,779 House press corps was described by 789 00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:12,700 Deborah Oren and Deborah Oren was a 790 00:30:16,769 --> 00:30:13,960 conservative she were 791 00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:16,779 she wrote for the New York Post was 792 00:30:21,509 --> 00:30:20,049 really against Clinton you know was part 793 00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:21,519 of the breaking of the Monica Lewinsky 794 00:30:26,669 --> 00:30:24,720 story hated the Clintons and so we're in 795 00:30:28,289 --> 00:30:26,679 1997 most people don't realize there's 796 00:30:30,509 --> 00:30:28,299 almost never a question at the White 797 00:30:34,619 --> 00:30:30,519 House press corps so there was 1997 and 798 00:30:35,820 --> 00:30:34,629 then not until Hillary event in 2016 he 799 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:35,830 was another question asked in the White 800 00:30:41,549 --> 00:30:38,110 House press corps so Debra Oren tells 801 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:41,559 the story that when the Hubble came out 802 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:43,570 in 1997 with his book friends in high 803 00:30:48,749 --> 00:30:45,970 places he says bill sent me out to find 804 00:30:50,249 --> 00:30:48,759 out who killed JFK and her their UFOs so 805 00:30:52,409 --> 00:30:50,259 she asked the question the day after the 806 00:30:54,659 --> 00:30:52,419 book was released did Bill Clinton send 807 00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,669 webster hubbell out to look for which 808 00:30:58,649 --> 00:30:56,799 there was UFOs and the press secretary 809 00:31:00,690 --> 00:30:58,659 basically had this joke there was this 810 00:31:02,879 --> 00:31:00,700 alien that used to appear on the week 811 00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:02,889 Weekly World News and he said no no we 812 00:31:06,869 --> 00:31:04,600 gave that story to the alien to work on 813 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:06,879 and of course so he had a bade to the 814 00:31:10,289 --> 00:31:08,289 question so she asked him second 815 00:31:12,749 --> 00:31:10,299 question a follow-up and she said is 816 00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:12,759 what mr. Hubbell writes in his book true 817 00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,769 and then the press secretary said I'm 818 00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,480 not gonna comment what private people 819 00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:18,399 put in their private books so he walked 820 00:31:23,009 --> 00:31:20,200 around it and Deborah Orrin in a later 821 00:31:25,289 --> 00:31:23,019 interview said I waited for the rest of 822 00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:25,299 the White House press corps to follow up 823 00:31:29,489 --> 00:31:27,460 and they just all rolled over and played 824 00:31:31,529 --> 00:31:29,499 dead because they were afraid to lose 825 00:31:33,239 --> 00:31:31,539 their White House press credentials and 826 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:33,249 that's the whole thing if you spend your 827 00:31:35,789 --> 00:31:34,450 time and you start you know in a 828 00:31:37,739 --> 00:31:35,799 small-town newspaper and you work your 829 00:31:40,379 --> 00:31:37,749 way up and you know you spent twenty 830 00:31:42,419 --> 00:31:40,389 years and suddenly you get the pass to 831 00:31:43,529 --> 00:31:42,429 be in the White House press corps you 832 00:31:45,330 --> 00:31:43,539 don't wanna be the guy to ask the dumb 833 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:45,340 UFO question you want to ask about you 834 00:31:49,259 --> 00:31:47,289 know Somalia you know what's the 835 00:31:50,850 --> 00:31:49,269 economic situation in Somalia or some 836 00:31:52,529 --> 00:31:50,860 miss something that makes you sound like 837 00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:52,539 you're really smart nobody wants to ask 838 00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,220 you a full question and Billy Cox who 839 00:32:01,139 --> 00:31:56,559 you've probably interacted with told the 840 00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:01,149 story of when Robert Gates appeared this 841 00:32:04,919 --> 00:32:03,070 is with the Chase Brandon thing when 842 00:32:07,139 --> 00:32:04,929 chase Brandon came out in 2012 this 843 00:32:08,999 --> 00:32:07,149 high-level CIA guy came out and said 844 00:32:12,509 --> 00:32:09,009 Roswell was real extraterrestrial and 845 00:32:14,999 --> 00:32:12,519 there were bodies gates who was his boss 846 00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:15,009 at one time at CIA was in Florida and 847 00:32:19,259 --> 00:32:17,320 Billy Cox asked the question well what 848 00:32:20,999 --> 00:32:19,269 about chase Brandon and he told the 849 00:32:22,590 --> 00:32:21,009 story that went as he was asking the 850 00:32:24,450 --> 00:32:22,600 questions he could actually feel the 851 00:32:25,769 --> 00:32:24,460 reporters moving away from him and it 852 00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:25,779 was that kind of thing it was like oh 853 00:32:28,650 --> 00:32:27,190 he's gonna ask that 854 00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:28,660 the whole question and everybody wants 855 00:32:31,230 --> 00:32:29,830 to be cool so if you're in the White 856 00:32:32,670 --> 00:32:31,240 House press corps you want to be cool 857 00:32:35,070 --> 00:32:32,680 you're not gonna ask the UFO question 858 00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:35,080 and and even I ask Fabian like and he 859 00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:37,900 did an interview later about this asking 860 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:40,270 this UFO question and he was asked by 861 00:32:45,390 --> 00:32:43,450 his news outlet and he said I would 862 00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,400 never ask the question again and so 863 00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,200 that's what it is I mean these guys are 864 00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:49,600 sort of too cool I were going after 865 00:32:52,410 --> 00:32:50,980 these other three reporters as well 866 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:52,420 pressure basically is what you're saying 867 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:55,810 yeah they won't even reply to me I said 868 00:32:59,070 --> 00:32:57,610 to them are you gonna follow up and 869 00:33:01,650 --> 00:32:59,080 because that was the whole thing Obama 870 00:33:03,510 --> 00:33:01,660 the only reason Hayes escaped in 2016 871 00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:03,520 was because Obama was in Japan at the 872 00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:05,320 time so they had the White House press 873 00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:07,630 secretary so if it had been Obama then 874 00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:09,190 Obama would have been in a box and if 875 00:33:13,140 --> 00:33:11,260 you see Obama Obama was big-time into 876 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:13,150 UFOs he was leaking stuff all the time 877 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:15,490 he was you know indirectly I mean even 878 00:33:19,950 --> 00:33:17,290 GQ magazine didn't follow up if he 879 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:19,960 looked I say a lot of this was green 880 00:33:22,740 --> 00:33:21,850 lighted by Barack Obama in November of 881 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:22,750 2015 882 00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:25,690 he goes to GQ magazine and the important 883 00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:27,190 thing is that he does not have to bring 884 00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:29,260 up UFOs this is a subject that until 885 00:33:33,030 --> 00:33:30,790 Bill Clinton came along 886 00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:33,040 no president ever talked about UFOs even 887 00:33:35,940 --> 00:33:34,240 Jimmy Carter people's I already talked 888 00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:35,950 about UFOs no he didn't he talked about 889 00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:37,870 it before he was elected he talked about 890 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:40,150 after he was liked it when he was in the 891 00:33:45,030 --> 00:33:42,250 White House he never ever used the word 892 00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:45,040 UFO same as Gerald Ford Gerald Ford said 893 00:33:48,570 --> 00:33:46,840 we should get guys and we should put him 894 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:48,580 on under us and we should find out 895 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:49,570 what's going on with the you whole thing 896 00:33:53,070 --> 00:33:51,490 when he became president he never used 897 00:33:55,050 --> 00:33:53,080 the word UFO so it wasn't until Bill 898 00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:55,060 Clinton came along that they started 899 00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:56,710 using the word UFOs and dropping it into 900 00:34:00,480 --> 00:33:58,330 speeches and making jokes and stuff like 901 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:00,490 that and so Barack Obama appears in this 902 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:04,570 2015 GT GQ magazine and he's not asked 903 00:34:08,580 --> 00:34:06,250 to you have a question he's asked about 904 00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:08,590 the JFK files oh if you had the JFK 905 00:34:13,350 --> 00:34:10,510 files do you ever ask for all the secret 906 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:13,360 stuff and Barack Obama starts in on UFOs 907 00:34:18,660 --> 00:34:15,370 he said you know everybody always ask me 908 00:34:19,770 --> 00:34:18,670 about UFOs and Roswell and aliens and I 909 00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:19,780 just want to tell you that that 910 00:34:23,790 --> 00:34:22,270 top-secret stuff isn't as top secret as 911 00:34:25,590 --> 00:34:23,800 you think it is and I'm going wow it's 912 00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:25,600 like holy cow he just actually confirmed 913 00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:27,580 this there's top-secret UFO material and 914 00:34:32,610 --> 00:34:29,800 the reporter as always joke either had a 915 00:34:34,380 --> 00:34:32,620 stroke or you know fell asleep or 916 00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:34,390 something because his next question was 917 00:34:39,150 --> 00:34:36,190 would you like to be a Supreme Court 918 00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:39,160 justice that's the whole thing the same 919 00:34:44,700 --> 00:34:40,540 with Reid when Reid got the 920 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:44,710 questions the reporter he asked him were 921 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:47,890 you briefed and he on the program so 922 00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:50,490 he's talking about the a tip program and 923 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:53,470 he said no I left that alone 924 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:55,450 well the question that they've they 925 00:34:59,580 --> 00:34:57,850 escaped asking and I and there was a 926 00:35:01,260 --> 00:34:59,590 second interview which has been done I 927 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:01,270 don't know what happened but I was 928 00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:02,890 allowed to put questions in I said you 929 00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:04,270 got a read you got an interview with 930 00:35:08,850 --> 00:35:06,070 Reid and the person said yeah we do and 931 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:08,860 I said can I ask some questions and they 932 00:35:13,590 --> 00:35:11,050 said yeah yeah you can you so I said you 933 00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:13,600 got to ask him where did you ask for a 934 00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:15,310 classified briefing so here you have 935 00:35:19,020 --> 00:35:17,800 read this NSA guy comes to him and he 936 00:35:21,210 --> 00:35:19,030 said we've got to work on this thing so 937 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:21,220 if you're a senator you have like 938 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:22,450 basically the same power as the 939 00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:23,650 president you have a security clearance 940 00:35:27,780 --> 00:35:25,510 so you can demand an answer to 941 00:35:30,210 --> 00:35:27,790 everything I represent whatever district 942 00:35:31,590 --> 00:35:30,220 and I'm demanding an answer to this and 943 00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,600 they have to they have to do it because 944 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:33,040 you'd have a security clearance and and 945 00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:35,530 they have to you know give you something 946 00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,720 so I knew that Reid had been briefed I 947 00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:39,520 knew that he had asked for a classified 948 00:35:44,430 --> 00:35:41,950 briefing on UFOs and this like when this 949 00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:44,440 whole thing started so the question that 950 00:35:48,510 --> 00:35:46,660 they asked him was did you ask for 951 00:35:50,010 --> 00:35:48,520 briefings on the a tip program and he 952 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:50,020 walked around he said no I left it alone 953 00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,090 I didn't really ask any any questions 954 00:35:56,010 --> 00:35:54,160 and then they said do you know material 955 00:35:57,570 --> 00:35:56,020 from that program that hasn't been 956 00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,580 released yet and he said yes I do 957 00:36:01,770 --> 00:35:59,920 so the question I asked was have you did 958 00:36:04,530 --> 00:36:01,780 you ask for a classified briefing on 959 00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,540 UFOs and to see what he'd say because 960 00:36:08,130 --> 00:36:06,400 that was a question has Cheney because 961 00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:08,140 Cheney had you know was always rumored 962 00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:10,180 to be the guy who is the inside guy and 963 00:36:14,850 --> 00:36:12,460 that was the question I said to him when 964 00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:14,860 I got him on a radio talk show in 2001 I 965 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:16,990 said you know your jobs in government 966 00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:18,850 have you ever been briefed on the 967 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:21,190 subject of UFOs if so when was it what 968 00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,510 were you told I don't care if you 969 00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:23,920 believe in UFOs I don't care what you 970 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:25,960 think about UFOs I want to know did on 971 00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:27,910 the record did someone walk in your 972 00:36:31,860 --> 00:36:30,430 office swear you to secrecy and give you 973 00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:31,870 the briefing and the briefing will be 974 00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:33,730 the truth it will be what's actually 975 00:36:39,810 --> 00:36:36,160 going on so that was the one question I 976 00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:39,820 suggested to read the other question I 977 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:41,320 asked was because he was a major 978 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:42,970 supporter of Hillary Clinton and there 979 00:36:46,530 --> 00:36:45,010 was always this story just you know 980 00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:46,540 what's Hillary doing you know is she 981 00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:48,340 disclosing is she trying to get the UFO 982 00:36:51,810 --> 00:36:49,300 vote you know there's all this 983 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:51,820 controversy so he knew Hillary very well 984 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:54,890 and so the question was did you talk to 985 00:36:59,500 --> 00:36:57,410 about UFOs and what was Hillary actually 986 00:37:01,840 --> 00:36:59,510 doing was was she part of this 987 00:37:04,930 --> 00:37:01,850 disclosure effort cuz that is why I 988 00:37:06,220 --> 00:37:04,940 believe there was this huge delay I was 989 00:37:07,780 --> 00:37:06,230 told that this thing was gonna break 990 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:07,790 I've known about this story for a number 991 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:09,650 of years I was told that this story 992 00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:12,890 would break in in just before Christmas 993 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:16,880 of 2016 and nothing and nothing happened 994 00:37:20,590 --> 00:37:18,770 so when hit and that was because Hillary 995 00:37:23,170 --> 00:37:20,600 lost the election so when Hillary lost 996 00:37:25,420 --> 00:37:23,180 the election I contacted the main source 997 00:37:27,790 --> 00:37:25,430 that I had and I said so what happens 998 00:37:29,950 --> 00:37:27,800 now and he said Oh nothing's changed 999 00:37:31,570 --> 00:37:29,960 it's actually more intense than it was 1000 00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:31,580 before they're they're moving but they 1001 00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:34,220 had to re shuffle the deck they had 1002 00:37:36,370 --> 00:37:35,060 to figure out what are they gonna do 1003 00:37:38,410 --> 00:37:36,380 Hillary's not part of this thing I 1004 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:38,420 believe Hillary was gonna be the the 1005 00:37:43,090 --> 00:37:40,130 sort of the person that was going to 1006 00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:43,100 head man this whole gradual disclosure 1007 00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:44,780 thing but when she got knocked out 1008 00:37:49,930 --> 00:37:47,350 that's why nothing happened from 1009 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:49,940 Christmas of 2016 until a news 1010 00:37:55,330 --> 00:37:53,570 conference in October of 2017 and if you 1011 00:37:57,940 --> 00:37:55,340 remember people were saying oh this is a 1012 00:38:00,250 --> 00:37:57,950 big scam this guy you know he's full of 1013 00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:00,260 it he's just making this stuff up and it 1014 00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:02,150 was a lot he was taking a lot of flak 1015 00:38:04,780 --> 00:38:03,920 because he didn't have any control over 1016 00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,790 this thing and that was the whole thing 1017 00:38:08,410 --> 00:38:06,560 it wasn't Tom DeLonge it was these 1018 00:38:09,730 --> 00:38:08,420 people behind Tom DeLonge who were 1019 00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:09,740 reshuffling the deck they had to make 1020 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:11,900 these generals disappear McCaslin and 1021 00:38:19,210 --> 00:38:15,170 Mackay and Mackay and Robert Weiss had 1022 00:38:20,890 --> 00:38:19,220 been exposed in the in the the WikiLeaks 1023 00:38:22,210 --> 00:38:20,900 thing so they had to make these guys and 1024 00:38:23,530 --> 00:38:22,220 these guys are still around no matter 1025 00:38:25,210 --> 00:38:23,540 what name is these people are still 1026 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:25,220 around they have not left they just had 1027 00:38:28,540 --> 00:38:26,570 to move them out of the scene it was 1028 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:28,550 like so there's this sort of leak this 1029 00:38:32,410 --> 00:38:31,130 story Wow you know these guys were sort 1030 00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,420 of exposed now they're really not 1031 00:38:37,090 --> 00:38:34,400 involved I mean these guys I mean this 1032 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:37,100 McCaslin guy is according to DeLong he 1033 00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,510 set up the whole team I mean he's the 1034 00:38:42,670 --> 00:38:40,640 main guy and if you look at the 1035 00:38:44,380 --> 00:38:42,680 WikiLeaks thing he's I there's actually 1036 00:38:47,050 --> 00:38:44,390 a memo in there where he's telling the 1037 00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:47,060 White House what to do you do this you 1038 00:38:51,250 --> 00:38:49,310 do that you've got a drag in Nassau he's 1039 00:38:52,990 --> 00:38:51,260 basically wrote a memo on how to do this 1040 00:38:54,190 --> 00:38:53,000 sort of thing so these guys are still 1041 00:38:56,530 --> 00:38:54,200 around and that's why there was this 1042 00:38:57,610 --> 00:38:56,540 huge delay is they had to reshuffle the 1043 00:39:00,010 --> 00:38:57,620 deck and figure out what they were gonna 1044 00:39:01,570 --> 00:39:00,020 do and semi van has sort of confirmed 1045 00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:01,580 that to us that a lot of this stuff is 1046 00:39:06,070 --> 00:39:03,470 very well-planned and when they made a 1047 00:39:07,690 --> 00:39:06,080 mistake with this vist balloon thing 1048 00:39:09,220 --> 00:39:07,700 which I discovered very early 1049 00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:09,230 on that they had made this mistake with 1050 00:39:12,010 --> 00:39:10,550 the balloon thing and I went to Eric 1051 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:12,020 Davis and he was furious when I brought 1052 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:13,730 up the balloon day I said you know like 1053 00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:16,490 what's with this this balloon thing and 1054 00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:18,200 he really didn't know when I first asked 1055 00:39:23,170 --> 00:39:21,950 him about it and so semi van said you 1056 00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:23,180 they're learning from what they're doing 1057 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:25,609 and I believe like when I asked Melinda 1058 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:28,810 Leslie I believe a lot of these guys are 1059 00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:31,010 legitimate guys who are trying to get 1060 00:39:34,089 --> 00:39:32,030 out the story most these guys are 1061 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:34,099 experiences Jim semi vans an experiencer 1062 00:39:39,099 --> 00:39:36,770 Gary Nolan's experiencer according to 1063 00:39:41,319 --> 00:39:39,109 Jacque Sarfati who's an experiencer 1064 00:39:43,210 --> 00:39:41,329 he'll put off told him a story that 1065 00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:43,220 indicated he might be an experiencer so 1066 00:39:46,510 --> 00:39:44,750 most of these guys are guys who are just 1067 00:39:47,740 --> 00:39:46,520 they're interested like you and I 1068 00:39:49,540 --> 00:39:47,750 they're down the rabbit hole to trying 1069 00:39:51,579 --> 00:39:49,550 to figure this thing out and they have 1070 00:39:56,290 --> 00:39:51,589 made this move to to move the football 1071 00:40:00,339 --> 00:39:56,300 down the field so so when you get semi 1072 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:00,349 van describing this to Melinda I said to 1073 00:40:03,970 --> 00:40:01,730 Melinda because you know Melinda can be 1074 00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,980 very conspiratorial and and doesn't 1075 00:40:07,060 --> 00:40:05,599 really believe what the government's you 1076 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:07,070 know because she's been involved in all 1077 00:40:11,230 --> 00:40:09,410 this really dirty mill abs type stuff so 1078 00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:11,240 I said to her my first question after 1079 00:40:14,319 --> 00:40:12,319 because I knew the interview was 1080 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:14,329 happening I knew long before and we 1081 00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:15,770 can't really go into who set up the 1082 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:17,180 interviews very interesting who set up 1083 00:40:21,730 --> 00:40:19,490 the interview but well I said the Melin 1084 00:40:23,050 --> 00:40:21,740 my first question is okay so Melinda 1085 00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,060 you had a meeting with him because I 1086 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:25,760 knew about semi vans since middle of 1087 00:40:30,609 --> 00:40:28,970 2015 and everybody that deals with semi 1088 00:40:34,359 --> 00:40:30,619 van says he's the greatest guy he's 1089 00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,369 absolutely down-to-earth he's honest all 1090 00:40:37,690 --> 00:40:36,079 this kind of stuff so I said to our case 1091 00:40:39,010 --> 00:40:37,700 so you met with a guy you haven't you 1092 00:40:40,780 --> 00:40:39,020 know you've always had this thing that 1093 00:40:42,250 --> 00:40:40,790 you know the government is up to no good 1094 00:40:44,770 --> 00:40:42,260 or whatever they're doing this kind of 1095 00:40:45,970 --> 00:40:44,780 stuff so what do you think good guy or 1096 00:40:47,770 --> 00:40:45,980 bad guy and that's what she made this 1097 00:40:49,809 --> 00:40:47,780 famous comment she said I'll tell you 1098 00:40:53,770 --> 00:40:49,819 what grant I didn't drink the kool-aid 1099 00:40:55,390 --> 00:40:53,780 but I had a sip once you actually meet 1100 00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,400 these guys that's what I found - I mean 1101 00:40:59,050 --> 00:40:57,680 I can tell a funny story that if people 1102 00:41:02,109 --> 00:40:59,060 want to check it can actually figure out 1103 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:02,119 one of the people and I know how deeply 1104 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:04,010 is involved under DeLong Lee I know he 1105 00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:05,690 talked to DeLong I know when he was when 1106 00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,520 DeLong was at NASA he met this guy and 1107 00:41:15,370 --> 00:41:12,800 this guy's an experiencer who I've 1108 00:41:17,620 --> 00:41:15,380 talked to he's very much into this thing 1109 00:41:20,140 --> 00:41:17,630 trying to figure this thing out when I 1110 00:41:21,609 --> 00:41:20,150 was on on dark journalists he was 1111 00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:21,619 actually phoning questions in and 1112 00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:23,150 and he the first question he asked is a 1113 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:24,920 question that's got nothing to do with 1114 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:27,170 UFOs and that was basically just to tell 1115 00:41:31,630 --> 00:41:29,690 me hey guess guess what I'm here and and 1116 00:41:34,569 --> 00:41:31,640 it was just amazing that these guys are 1117 00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,579 people who a lot most of them are 1118 00:41:38,109 --> 00:41:36,319 experiences I believe and they are 1119 00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:38,119 trying to get this thing out but you 1120 00:41:41,319 --> 00:41:39,680 have to work within the classified world 1121 00:41:43,390 --> 00:41:41,329 you have to protect your security 1122 00:41:44,859 --> 00:41:43,400 clearance and they're doing it according 1123 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:44,869 to the law which is one of the questions 1124 00:41:49,269 --> 00:41:47,210 I asked Melinda which she really didn't 1125 00:41:51,759 --> 00:41:49,279 get an answer to my main question semi 1126 00:41:54,549 --> 00:41:51,769 van is is this thing legal and 1127 00:41:55,989 --> 00:41:54,559 constitutional are you obeying the law 1128 00:41:57,549 --> 00:41:55,999 and following the Constitution or is 1129 00:41:59,470 --> 00:41:57,559 this some sort of rogue thing where 1130 00:42:01,120 --> 00:41:59,480 people are just doing what they want and 1131 00:42:02,799 --> 00:42:01,130 if it's done by the law then it's it's 1132 00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:02,809 what I think has been going on for 1133 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:04,700 seventy years is that the president's 1134 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:06,650 hands are tied this thing is highly 1135 00:42:09,940 --> 00:42:08,210 classified the Canadian government top 1136 00:42:11,410 --> 00:42:09,950 secret memo of nineteen fifty said it's 1137 00:42:13,269 --> 00:42:11,420 the most highly classified subject the 1138 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:13,279 United States and you have to figure a 1139 00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:15,170 way to do it and protect the 1140 00:42:19,450 --> 00:42:16,670 classification which has to do with 1141 00:42:21,099 --> 00:42:19,460 weapons and militarizing this thing and 1142 00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:21,109 stopping the Russians from getting it 1143 00:42:25,450 --> 00:42:22,910 and stopping al-qaeda from getting it 1144 00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:25,460 and all those things that go as part of 1145 00:42:28,329 --> 00:42:26,660 this thing that people sort of ignore 1146 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:28,339 they just they just want the answer it's 1147 00:42:33,009 --> 00:42:30,890 sort of like you know we we got two cars 1148 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:33,019 and a house and our kids are in school 1149 00:42:36,970 --> 00:42:34,970 and everything's going great now we want 1150 00:42:38,349 --> 00:42:36,980 disclosure we want something we knew we 1151 00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:38,359 want some new entertainment and 1152 00:42:44,529 --> 00:42:40,609 something to wear as to them it's it's a 1153 00:42:46,089 --> 00:42:44,539 very key element that has a lot of 1154 00:42:48,729 --> 00:42:46,099 military applications the telepathy 1155 00:42:51,339 --> 00:42:48,739 thing the ability to talk in people's 1156 00:42:53,979 --> 00:42:51,349 heads the ability to move through time 1157 00:42:55,269 --> 00:42:53,989 and space go through walls you look at 1158 00:42:57,690 --> 00:42:55,279 this kind of stuff and you can see why 1159 00:43:00,700 --> 00:42:57,700 they would be covering this stuff up 1160 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:00,710 doubling back to the original fellow who 1161 00:43:05,739 --> 00:43:03,170 had contacted reading Bigelow another 1162 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:05,749 guy who fits that description with the a 1163 00:43:12,549 --> 00:43:07,730 degree in physical doctorate in physics 1164 00:43:19,150 --> 00:43:12,559 and a a longtime interest in UFOs is Ron 1165 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:19,160 Pandolfi now is the criticisms he's laid 1166 00:43:27,549 --> 00:43:23,450 at put off and the criticisms of TPS is 1167 00:43:29,499 --> 00:43:27,559 that's just a smokescreen or is that 1168 00:43:31,569 --> 00:43:29,509 legitimate oh it's absolutely a 1169 00:43:33,009 --> 00:43:31,579 smokescreen you got to realize all these 1170 00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:33,019 people if you look at the to the Stars 1171 00:43:35,350 --> 00:43:34,640 thing it's all retired guys so you've 1172 00:43:37,630 --> 00:43:35,360 got Lou 1173 00:43:39,970 --> 00:43:37,640 day after he retires he suddenly ooh 1174 00:43:42,250 --> 00:43:39,980 there and it was like oh no he retired 1175 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:42,260 and he was gonna retire anyway and then 1176 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:43,730 you listen to Tom DeLonge and he said I 1177 00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,130 hired him away and he actually referred 1178 00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:48,560 to him earlier on as mr. L he knew him 1179 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:51,760 long before he retired and so you have 1180 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:53,930 these guys who retired and you got to 1181 00:43:58,780 --> 00:43:55,730 remember Pandolfi is the only active guy 1182 00:44:00,820 --> 00:43:58,790 he's the only guy that would I refer to 1183 00:44:03,450 --> 00:44:00,830 him as he's the guy who has the keys he 1184 00:44:06,130 --> 00:44:03,460 is the guy that in terms of describing 1185 00:44:08,770 --> 00:44:06,140 briefings that when a senator comes up 1186 00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:08,780 and I saw an actual thing we're penned 1187 00:44:12,460 --> 00:44:10,310 up he's talking about this where he said 1188 00:44:14,890 --> 00:44:12,470 when when he's asked when senators 1189 00:44:17,050 --> 00:44:14,900 coppice say okay I wonder about UFOs he 1190 00:44:20,290 --> 00:44:17,060 says Tim okay here's the deal I have the 1191 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:20,300 keys I can show you where it is and you 1192 00:44:23,350 --> 00:44:21,530 go find it it doesn't mean that I'm 1193 00:44:25,630 --> 00:44:23,360 gonna sit down and tell you what's going 1194 00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:25,640 on people have and I didn't realize he 1195 00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:27,110 said people haven't misunderstanding 1196 00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:28,310 about what a briefing is that you just 1197 00:44:32,050 --> 00:44:29,990 you're told where the material is and 1198 00:44:34,210 --> 00:44:32,060 you take the responsibility and you go 1199 00:44:36,070 --> 00:44:34,220 and there may be ramifications once you 1200 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:36,080 get this material once you go and look 1201 00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,850 up this material or you can just let me 1202 00:44:41,530 --> 00:44:39,440 hold the keys and he said most people 1203 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:41,540 will just let me hold the keys so he's a 1204 00:44:45,790 --> 00:44:43,610 guy who knows the whole thing for 1205 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:45,800 example I'll give you an example when I 1206 00:44:50,530 --> 00:44:48,530 I knew but Jim semi van back I first 1207 00:44:51,850 --> 00:44:50,540 heard about him at least in summer of 1208 00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:51,860 2015 1209 00:44:57,070 --> 00:44:54,800 and I knew he was this high-level super 1210 00:44:58,690 --> 00:44:57,080 guy who has an experiencer and the 1211 00:45:01,540 --> 00:44:58,700 beings in his room I knew the whole 1212 00:45:03,250 --> 00:45:01,550 story and how he had interacted with a 1213 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:03,260 lot of very high-level people and were 1214 00:45:06,370 --> 00:45:05,210 telling him this thing was true and that 1215 00:45:08,380 --> 00:45:06,380 the president might have been abducted 1216 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:08,390 and all these kind of things that this 1217 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:10,970 is high elbow guy so when I brought it 1218 00:45:18,430 --> 00:45:16,250 up with Pandolfi spokesman is this Dan 1219 00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,440 Smith and Dan Smith is the same thing as 1220 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:20,480 leaking the story to John Lear it's like 1221 00:45:23,740 --> 00:45:22,370 a dance man you don't listen to Dan 1222 00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:23,750 Smith the guy's crazy he's talking about 1223 00:45:27,370 --> 00:45:25,190 the end of the world you don't wanna be 1224 00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:27,380 and that's what you do because you want 1225 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:29,150 to cover the story so what you do is you 1226 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:31,130 release it to a source that nobody's 1227 00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:33,530 really going to 100% believe again if 1228 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:34,910 you wanted to release it you'd put it 1229 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:35,930 with the President of the United States 1230 00:45:38,590 --> 00:45:37,850 you could do it so you're not gonna do 1231 00:45:41,170 --> 00:45:38,600 it you're gonna put it through these 1232 00:45:43,870 --> 00:45:41,180 people who people sort of questioned so 1233 00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,880 Dan Smith is sort of his spokesman and I 1234 00:45:48,670 --> 00:45:45,440 remember when I first brought up Tom 1235 00:45:51,130 --> 00:45:48,680 DeLonge Dan Smith didn't know who he was 1236 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:51,140 and you don't know who Tom DeLonge is I 1237 00:45:56,770 --> 00:45:53,210 said use claim you're at the center of 1238 00:45:59,410 --> 00:45:56,780 the of the the tornado here with with 1239 00:46:01,240 --> 00:45:59,420 what's going on and you've got this suit 1240 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:01,250 here does have the highest level source 1241 00:46:05,950 --> 00:46:03,890 and and you don't know Tom belong is and 1242 00:46:08,530 --> 00:46:05,960 so we got going and then I brought up to 1243 00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:08,540 Jim semi ban thing and I said oh this is 1244 00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:10,790 Jim semi van guy and okay he's 1245 00:46:16,329 --> 00:46:14,329 high-level CIA you know 25 years started 1246 00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,339 the same year as Ron Pandolfi and what 1247 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:18,319 does Ron say about him and he said who's 1248 00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:20,210 Jim sent me that I said come on he's 1249 00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:22,609 he's like this super high-level CIA guy 1250 00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:24,710 and he said no I've never I've never 1251 00:46:28,299 --> 00:46:26,329 I've never heard him I said we'll ask 1252 00:46:30,190 --> 00:46:28,309 Ron about him and he said well I never 1253 00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:30,200 asked Ron questions I just listened and 1254 00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:32,150 and the way he said it works is I sit 1255 00:46:36,010 --> 00:46:34,430 there and I listen and for 27 years Ron 1256 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:36,020 will say something he'll only say it one 1257 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:37,490 time and either you're listening or 1258 00:46:41,859 --> 00:46:39,170 you're not listening and he'll never 1259 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:41,869 repeat it and if anybody asks him he'll 1260 00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,450 deny it so he Dan Smith said everything 1261 00:46:48,849 --> 00:46:46,880 he said to me for 27 years anybody ask 1262 00:46:50,829 --> 00:46:48,859 him Ron will say no Dan Smith made it up 1263 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:50,839 ideal it's plausible deniability same 1264 00:46:58,140 --> 00:46:53,370 things the president so who says that 1265 00:47:03,099 --> 00:47:00,490 they even did an interview with his wife 1266 00:47:04,510 --> 00:47:03,109 Ron's wife did an interview and they 1267 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:04,520 pulled it from the internet I can't find 1268 00:47:09,010 --> 00:47:07,010 any more but it was called maniac or 1269 00:47:10,329 --> 00:47:09,020 Messiah and they're playing on this 1270 00:47:12,579 --> 00:47:10,339 thing that Dan sometimes refers to 1271 00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,589 himself as being Jesus and he's he's the 1272 00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:14,480 Messiah that's why in magic-magic I 1273 00:47:19,930 --> 00:47:16,760 refer to the five messiahs there's you 1274 00:47:22,089 --> 00:47:19,940 know Steven Greer and and and Dan Smith 1275 00:47:24,579 --> 00:47:22,099 and and more and all these people who 1276 00:47:25,839 --> 00:47:24,589 believe that they're called to be the 1277 00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:25,849 person who brings disclosure to the 1278 00:47:29,170 --> 00:47:26,960 American people as I call them the 1279 00:47:30,819 --> 00:47:29,180 messiahs but he said okay see he has his 1280 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:30,829 plausible deniability so I said well ask 1281 00:47:34,690 --> 00:47:32,089 him but send me then he said no I'd 1282 00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,700 never ask him questions and said next 1283 00:47:38,650 --> 00:47:36,559 day on open minds forum suddenly here's 1284 00:47:40,780 --> 00:47:38,660 Jim semi van and his name had never been 1285 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:40,790 exposed I had been told I'd figured out 1286 00:47:43,450 --> 00:47:42,170 I was even told what his name was 1287 00:47:46,270 --> 00:47:43,460 I just was told what his first name was 1288 00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:46,280 and based upon stuff I figure who he was 1289 00:47:50,799 --> 00:47:49,250 and so then I'm going oh my god you know 1290 00:47:53,049 --> 00:47:50,809 I shouldn't have used his name now his 1291 00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:53,059 name's on open minds form and within an 1292 00:47:59,770 --> 00:47:55,730 hour it was off open minds form and and 1293 00:48:02,380 --> 00:47:59,780 and Dan posted he said Ron Ron has told 1294 00:48:05,980 --> 00:48:02,390 me to take this off 1295 00:48:09,130 --> 00:48:05,990 and quit posting material quit posting 1296 00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:09,140 lies from loons because you know Ron 1297 00:48:13,450 --> 00:48:11,720 Pandolfi statement is that everybody in 1298 00:48:16,329 --> 00:48:13,460 the UFO community is either a loon a 1299 00:48:17,710 --> 00:48:16,339 crook or worse and you want the few 1300 00:48:19,150 --> 00:48:17,720 people who ever took off the loon list 1301 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:19,160 he said I know grants not a loon 1302 00:48:24,670 --> 00:48:21,650 but he had this calling me the Loon and 1303 00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:24,680 so I quit oh great great cuz he took off 1304 00:48:28,420 --> 00:48:26,960 semi vans name so then when I went back 1305 00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:28,430 and I was talking to him again and he 1306 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:30,950 said well no he said semi van doesn't 1307 00:48:34,809 --> 00:48:32,690 exist and I said well some event does 1308 00:48:36,579 --> 00:48:34,819 exist dan let me tell you exists no he 1309 00:48:38,410 --> 00:48:36,589 doesn't and it went on and then he 1310 00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,420 actually made me see wrote me and he 1311 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:40,160 said you know I think you should quit 1312 00:48:44,799 --> 00:48:42,170 using his name I don't think it's proper 1313 00:48:46,509 --> 00:48:44,809 he does not exist that's not true you 1314 00:48:48,190 --> 00:48:46,519 should stop using his name and I said 1315 00:48:49,870 --> 00:48:48,200 what do you want to see a photo of him 1316 00:48:51,789 --> 00:48:49,880 so I started sending photos and then 1317 00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:51,799 suddenly it changed it was like oh yeah 1318 00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:54,559 and a both both Kevin Albert who works 1319 00:48:58,240 --> 00:48:57,200 for he's doing projects for Ron in fact 1320 00:49:00,430 --> 00:48:58,250 there was an event that happened 1321 00:49:01,930 --> 00:49:00,440 yesterday which remind me if I forget an 1322 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:01,940 event that happened yesterday with Kevin 1323 00:49:08,130 --> 00:49:05,210 elder who was working with Ron he's from 1324 00:49:12,789 --> 00:49:08,140 a late a sort of a producer from LA and 1325 00:49:15,249 --> 00:49:12,799 Dan and they they both started stay 1326 00:49:17,140 --> 00:49:15,259 saying that Ron had said oh yeah Jim 1327 00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:17,150 semi van does exist but that's not his 1328 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:19,250 name and I remember arguing with Kevin 1329 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:21,650 Albert I said well unless of everybody 1330 00:49:25,569 --> 00:49:23,450 in his family changed their name on 1331 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:25,579 Facebook you go to semi vans Facebook 1332 00:49:28,749 --> 00:49:27,410 page and he's got like 50 semi bans on 1333 00:49:30,460 --> 00:49:28,759 there I don't think everybody changed 1334 00:49:32,109 --> 00:49:30,470 their name that is his name and they're 1335 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:32,119 still now so I think they've actually 1336 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:34,130 sort of now admitted that he exists but 1337 00:49:38,529 --> 00:49:36,410 there was this deal it's a you and and 1338 00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:38,539 when we asked semi van about it that was 1339 00:49:41,799 --> 00:49:40,220 one of the questions I had for for 1340 00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:41,809 Melinda and she asked semi van about it 1341 00:49:45,999 --> 00:49:44,329 what about Ron because Ron's calling you 1342 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:46,009 guys a bunch of crooks and this is all a 1343 00:49:50,019 --> 00:49:48,410 scam or whatever and he said he has he 1344 00:49:52,180 --> 00:49:50,029 has to distance himself that was what 1345 00:49:54,370 --> 00:49:52,190 semi van said yeah it makes sense he has 1346 00:49:56,890 --> 00:49:54,380 the distance he can't be part of it he's 1347 00:49:58,839 --> 00:49:56,900 he's the guy that sorts of balancing act 1348 00:50:01,269 --> 00:49:58,849 it was the same thing you put out the 1349 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:01,279 information and then you discount the 1350 00:50:04,359 --> 00:50:02,930 information with counterintelligence so 1351 00:50:05,890 --> 00:50:04,369 he comes out and says he'll is the 1352 00:50:09,370 --> 00:50:05,900 biggest crook that ever lived it's a big 1353 00:50:11,170 --> 00:50:09,380 Scientologist and it restarts to winter 1354 00:50:12,940 --> 00:50:11,180 well maybe I was a sign you know did be 1355 00:50:15,130 --> 00:50:12,950 it wasn't Scientology maybe he's a crook 1356 00:50:16,210 --> 00:50:15,140 maybe this is going on and they throw 1357 00:50:18,609 --> 00:50:16,220 the doubt into people's 1358 00:50:20,050 --> 00:50:18,619 so nobody really knows for sure what's 1359 00:50:21,460 --> 00:50:20,060 going on because if you really wanted 1360 00:50:23,470 --> 00:50:21,470 they would make an announcement that 1361 00:50:24,910 --> 00:50:23,480 he'll put off is a real guy and that 1362 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:24,920 this program is going on but they do 1363 00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:27,170 this down the road in-between thing is 1364 00:50:32,190 --> 00:50:30,440 plausible deniability gradual drip 1365 00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,200 confirmation stuff that they're doing 1366 00:50:37,630 --> 00:50:34,640 you know grant I had a question about 1367 00:50:39,490 --> 00:50:37,640 Ron Pandolfi do you think that there are 1368 00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:39,500 unacknowledged program that he's not 1369 00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,630 aware of or you think he's he's he's the 1370 00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,480 kingpin of the whole thing with what my 1371 00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,400 understanding is that when it comes to 1372 00:50:50,380 --> 00:50:48,800 and he described it in 1991 to Dan Smith 1373 00:50:52,420 --> 00:50:50,390 this phenomenology that's another thing 1374 00:50:53,650 --> 00:50:52,430 I always point out to people because 1375 00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:53,660 most people still want to look at this 1376 00:50:56,859 --> 00:50:55,369 as nuts and bolts you know a little 1377 00:51:00,339 --> 00:50:56,869 aliens flying around in tin cans and 1378 00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:00,349 they got a you know a free energy motor 1379 00:51:03,339 --> 00:51:01,760 and if we can get the motor out we can 1380 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:03,349 drive our SUV for free you know it's cuz 1381 00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:05,690 and what people don't realize is that 1382 00:51:12,250 --> 00:51:10,700 Ron stated already in 1991 that it was 1383 00:51:14,650 --> 00:51:12,260 called phenomenology that we have a 1384 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:14,660 phenomenology problem so what it is it's 1385 00:51:18,460 --> 00:51:16,490 not just UFOs it's remote-viewing cuz 1386 00:51:21,250 --> 00:51:18,470 Ron Pandolfi was a guy shut the program 1387 00:51:23,470 --> 00:51:21,260 down in 1995 and moved it to the NSA so 1388 00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:23,480 he's basically like Blue Book you take 1389 00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,640 blue book off the white world and you 1390 00:51:29,740 --> 00:51:28,160 put it into the black world in 19 1969 1391 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:29,750 you take the remote viewing program 1392 00:51:33,849 --> 00:51:31,970 because it was starting to leak Jim 1393 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:33,859 Marrs was doing a book on it the story 1394 00:51:36,490 --> 00:51:34,970 was starting to leak that they had this 1395 00:51:37,060 --> 00:51:36,500 remote viewing program so what you do is 1396 00:51:38,890 --> 00:51:37,070 you shut up 1397 00:51:40,750 --> 00:51:38,900 you move it into the black world so he 1398 00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:40,760 was talked as as the guy with the keys 1399 00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:43,760 that that Dan has made all sorts of 1400 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:46,880 claims that you know he could that he 1401 00:51:49,089 --> 00:51:48,170 could kill anybody in the country and 1402 00:51:51,460 --> 00:51:49,099 get away with it except for the 1403 00:51:53,620 --> 00:51:51,470 president and that he has ultimate power 1404 00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:53,630 there's nothing they can do to him there 1405 00:51:58,030 --> 00:51:55,849 is a story that was told by Ron's first 1406 00:52:00,370 --> 00:51:58,040 wife that that for a number of years ago 1407 00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,380 was run around the ron had told her his 1408 00:52:03,550 --> 00:52:01,760 job was more important than the 1409 00:52:06,430 --> 00:52:03,560 President of the United States so he 1410 00:52:10,089 --> 00:52:06,440 that's my understanding is that he does 1411 00:52:14,109 --> 00:52:10,099 have this very very high level security 1412 00:52:15,609 --> 00:52:14,119 because what you need is what's called 1413 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:15,619 the keeper of the weird you you need 1414 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:18,770 somebody who controls the classified 1415 00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,130 material that is the go-to guy so when 1416 00:52:28,660 --> 00:52:25,040 in you see the Rockefeller initiative 1417 00:52:31,090 --> 00:52:28,670 documents in 1993 when this Bill 1418 00:52:35,740 --> 00:52:34,390 the science advisor heard that 1419 00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,750 Rockefeller was coming to the White 1420 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:37,520 House and they couldn't stop him he 1421 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:39,650 asked for a UFO briefing and there's 1422 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:40,970 it's in the documents there's no doubt 1423 00:52:44,770 --> 00:52:42,650 about it was given to Ron Pandolfi and 1424 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:44,780 because Ron Pandolfi could not 1425 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:47,090 acknowledge the CIA T was doing UFOs 1426 00:52:50,290 --> 00:52:48,650 that's when he gave it to Bruce Maccabee 1427 00:52:51,550 --> 00:52:50,300 and he phoned up Bruce Maccabee he said 1428 00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:51,560 you got to write a briefing for the 1429 00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,390 science advisor to the president you got 1430 00:52:56,650 --> 00:52:55,040 24 hours to do it it's gotta be in by 7 1431 00:52:57,820 --> 00:52:56,660 o'clock tomorrow morning and he stayed 1432 00:52:59,500 --> 00:52:57,830 up all night and wrote this this 1433 00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:59,510 briefing document because you can and 1434 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:00,800 then you go in the back door and you do 1435 00:53:05,110 --> 00:53:02,570 the private briefing and in the backdoor 1436 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:05,120 but you can't do it publicly so there's 1437 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:07,610 so many indications that that he is very 1438 00:53:12,970 --> 00:53:09,290 high level and before him is KITT green 1439 00:53:14,590 --> 00:53:12,980 which is why the to the stars thing is 1440 00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:14,600 so important with the experience of 1441 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:16,430 thing is that KITT green was the guy who 1442 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:19,850 ran the program before Iran from 69 to 1443 00:53:26,050 --> 00:53:22,130 83 or 85 either of those two days and 1444 00:53:29,940 --> 00:53:26,060 the guy before him was Arthur Lundell 1445 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:29,950 who ran it he's the guy that did the 1446 00:53:35,110 --> 00:53:32,810 photographic analysis for the Robertson 1447 00:53:37,300 --> 00:53:35,120 panel report in 1950 is round a navy 1448 00:53:38,380 --> 00:53:37,310 photograph lab and ended up running the 1449 00:53:41,140 --> 00:53:38,390 national photographic interpretation 1450 00:53:44,050 --> 00:53:41,150 center for the CIA which was the lab 1451 00:53:46,060 --> 00:53:44,060 that analyzed all the u2 sr-71 and all 1452 00:53:47,830 --> 00:53:46,070 the spy photographs and he was the guy 1453 00:53:49,660 --> 00:53:47,840 that ran the weird desk back then so you 1454 00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,670 have these these guys that are sort of 1455 00:53:54,910 --> 00:53:51,440 in charge of the classified material and 1456 00:53:58,270 --> 00:53:54,920 so when Ron says like as soon as if you 1457 00:54:00,340 --> 00:53:58,280 remember back as soon as the thing was 1458 00:54:02,350 --> 00:54:00,350 released we were actually helping Dan 1459 00:54:04,330 --> 00:54:02,360 Smith get online because I of course I 1460 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:04,340 every time I talk to Dan something 1461 00:54:07,660 --> 00:54:06,170 breaks I go okay so what's Ron say now 1462 00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:07,670 and then he goes announced you know 1463 00:54:11,230 --> 00:54:09,920 he'll ask Ron and I try to find out you 1464 00:54:14,290 --> 00:54:11,240 know what's the reaction from Ron 1465 00:54:18,010 --> 00:54:14,300 Pandolfi so on December the 16th we were 1466 00:54:19,570 --> 00:54:18,020 helping him get online to watch oh no no 1467 00:54:22,030 --> 00:54:19,580 this is October the 11th we were getting 1468 00:54:24,940 --> 00:54:22,040 him online to watch the news conference 1469 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:24,950 we news was coming up and so then within 1470 00:54:29,380 --> 00:54:27,890 an hour maybe two hours he was back to 1471 00:54:31,060 --> 00:54:29,390 us and said Ron said this is a 1472 00:54:33,220 --> 00:54:31,070 Scientology scam and all this kind of 1473 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:33,230 stuff and Ron actually put it on 1474 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:35,330 Wikileaks he did they actually had the 1475 00:54:39,970 --> 00:54:38,090 posting on WikiLeaks and Ron I'm sure 1476 00:54:41,860 --> 00:54:39,980 Ron wrote it because it was Ron's deal 1477 00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:41,870 about the scientology scam and and 1478 00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:43,369 they're using people stuff 1479 00:54:46,299 --> 00:54:45,049 so right from the word go Ron was 1480 00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,309 putting out this counterintelligence 1481 00:54:50,529 --> 00:54:48,799 thing like hours after and he basically 1482 00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:50,539 said and there may be some truth to it 1483 00:54:54,670 --> 00:54:52,609 is he said that it was done in front of 1484 00:54:55,900 --> 00:54:54,680 a simulator these these videos were 1485 00:54:59,200 --> 00:54:55,910 actually done in front of a simulator 1486 00:55:00,880 --> 00:54:59,210 and that that's where I sort of got on 1487 00:55:02,170 --> 00:55:00,890 this idea that because when I first saw 1488 00:55:03,370 --> 00:55:02,180 the video I go like how could they hope 1489 00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,380 something like that doesn't make any 1490 00:55:06,489 --> 00:55:05,119 sense and then when he brought up the 1491 00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:06,499 simulator thing and I was thinking oh 1492 00:55:10,299 --> 00:55:07,910 maybe it's the same thing as mj-12 1493 00:55:13,210 --> 00:55:10,309 document maybe they're they're releasing 1494 00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:13,220 something that is pretty true but it's 1495 00:55:17,259 --> 00:55:15,440 not 100% true and they can do the 1496 00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:17,269 plausible deniability thing and say it's 1497 00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:21,920 a hoax real quick did have you been able 1498 00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:24,529 to find out if a tip looked at all it 1499 00:55:28,749 --> 00:55:26,240 was what was probably the biggest 1500 00:55:31,390 --> 00:55:28,759 domestic UFO case while they were 1501 00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:31,400 running which was the Stephenville case 1502 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:35,359 in 2008 well what you got to remember is 1503 00:55:40,989 --> 00:55:37,490 that like they have this gifts now like 1504 00:55:42,910 --> 00:55:40,999 Bigelow bill T skiffs to control all the 1505 00:55:45,489 --> 00:55:42,920 classified material and if you listen to 1506 00:55:48,370 --> 00:55:45,499 some of the interviews Bigelow basically 1507 00:55:50,589 --> 00:55:48,380 controls everything from 2007 I listen 1508 00:55:53,529 --> 00:55:50,599 to my my personal impression he controls 1509 00:55:56,410 --> 00:55:53,539 all the UFO material from 2007 on I mean 1510 00:55:58,450 --> 00:55:56,420 all the Federal Aviation stuff he bought 1511 00:56:02,979 --> 00:55:58,460 up all the carpenter abduction files 1512 00:56:05,289 --> 00:56:02,989 there was an effort to try to hire all 1513 00:56:07,749 --> 00:56:05,299 the free people who have of the 4,000 1514 00:56:10,329 --> 00:56:07,759 contactees experiencers the free 1515 00:56:14,890 --> 00:56:10,339 foundation he bought up all the stuff 1516 00:56:20,759 --> 00:56:14,900 from project plate hunter no 15 hours of 1517 00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:24,069 1977-78 all the the the videos and the 1518 00:56:27,970 --> 00:56:26,089 photographs and all the documents 1519 00:56:30,430 --> 00:56:27,980 Bigelow was buying up everything he 1520 00:56:32,259 --> 00:56:30,440 bought up I knew this back in the 1990s 1521 00:56:34,509 --> 00:56:32,269 because I knew I was going after some 1522 00:56:38,109 --> 00:56:34,519 files of a guy may have bunt commit 1523 00:56:40,269 --> 00:56:38,119 schemes guy he was a major hungaria made 1524 00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,279 a major from hungary who was working out 1525 00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:42,559 the UN who was writing all these letters 1526 00:56:46,450 --> 00:56:44,720 to the president and I knew I was into 1527 00:56:47,950 --> 00:56:46,460 the president so I was trying to get his 1528 00:56:50,259 --> 00:56:47,960 files when he died because he would 1529 00:56:51,609 --> 00:56:50,269 attach all these UFO documents to to 1530 00:56:54,460 --> 00:56:51,619 these requests to all the different 1531 00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,470 presidents and I was told that Bigelow 1532 00:56:57,339 --> 00:56:56,480 had bought the files so I went to Eric 1533 00:56:58,989 --> 00:56:57,349 Davis house when he 1534 00:57:00,910 --> 00:56:58,999 was still working for knids and I said 1535 00:57:02,620 --> 00:57:00,920 I'm looking for vodka whiskey's files 1536 00:57:04,059 --> 00:57:02,630 I'm gonna be in Las Vegas can you 1537 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:04,069 arrange that I can look at these files 1538 00:57:08,170 --> 00:57:05,690 ice well look at these letters to the 1539 00:57:10,269 --> 00:57:08,180 President and he said oh I mean it comes 1540 00:57:12,190 --> 00:57:10,279 back and he said oh no we Bigelow 1541 00:57:13,749 --> 00:57:12,200 doesn't have this files and I said he 1542 00:57:16,059 --> 00:57:13,759 has the files cuz I know the guy I 1543 00:57:18,339 --> 00:57:16,069 talked to a guy antonia horniest helped 1544 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:18,349 pack the files in antonio told me the 1545 00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:19,970 files went he helped pack the files they 1546 00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:21,170 went to Bigelow and then he came back 1547 00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,670 later he said well maybe he hasn't been 1548 00:57:25,749 --> 00:57:23,839 his private residence but he doesn't 1549 00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:25,759 have him here so that's what people got 1550 00:57:29,710 --> 00:57:27,470 remember is that Bigelow has bought up 1551 00:57:32,140 --> 00:57:29,720 everything for example the the the whole 1552 00:57:33,099 --> 00:57:32,150 controversy with with MUFON this whole 1553 00:57:34,479 --> 00:57:33,109 thing about the non-disclosure 1554 00:57:37,479 --> 00:57:34,489 agreements that all the mutant people 1555 00:57:38,859 --> 00:57:37,489 did in 2009 or whatever and the star 1556 00:57:40,930 --> 00:57:38,869 team and the first star team 1557 00:57:44,049 --> 00:57:40,940 investigation that was done was done 1558 00:57:45,969 --> 00:57:44,059 with Chris but so and Chris Bledsoe is 1559 00:57:47,739 --> 00:57:45,979 one of the key people in this whole 1560 00:57:49,779 --> 00:57:47,749 operation because what you got to 1561 00:57:51,729 --> 00:57:49,789 remember is that the no matter what 1562 00:57:54,219 --> 00:57:51,739 anybody says I say the experiences are 1563 00:57:56,499 --> 00:57:54,229 the key elements and that the military 1564 00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,509 intelligence and the government is 1565 00:58:00,940 --> 00:57:58,640 watching the experiences because Ron 1566 00:58:02,499 --> 00:58:00,950 Pandolfi had said at one point because 1567 00:58:05,620 --> 00:58:02,509 we cannot measure and control a 1568 00:58:07,329 --> 00:58:05,630 phenomena we watched the people who the 1569 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:07,339 phenomena affects that's all they can 1570 00:58:11,799 --> 00:58:08,930 really do because if you look at 1571 00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:11,809 skinwalker ranch they had it within 75 1572 00:58:16,450 --> 00:58:14,390 square acres they had the top 1573 00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:16,460 researchers in the world all the money 1574 00:58:19,390 --> 00:58:18,079 in the world and they could not control 1575 00:58:20,620 --> 00:58:19,400 they could not measure the phenomena 1576 00:58:22,299 --> 00:58:20,630 they could not do anything it's one of 1577 00:58:25,059 --> 00:58:22,309 the reasons that gave up is because they 1578 00:58:26,410 --> 00:58:25,069 had this trickster thing they the join 1579 00:58:27,819 --> 00:58:26,420 Alexander said not only did the 1580 00:58:29,019 --> 00:58:27,829 phenomena know what they were doing it 1581 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:29,029 knew what they were about to do they 1582 00:58:32,769 --> 00:58:30,170 could they couldn't measure it they 1583 00:58:36,819 --> 00:58:32,779 couldn't photograph it and so that's the 1584 00:58:41,410 --> 00:58:36,829 the key that that a lot of this material 1585 00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:41,420 is isn't is not verifiable and so that's 1586 00:58:46,660 --> 00:58:43,849 why they spent so much time and why 1587 00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:46,670 Bigelow is interested in experiences he 1588 00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:50,390 funded the the the the abduction 1589 00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:52,400 research thing in the 1990s that was 1590 00:58:55,539 --> 00:58:52,910 done 1591 00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:55,549 you know the Roper poll you take a look 1592 00:58:58,779 --> 00:58:57,410 at what bog Bigelow has done and he's 1593 00:59:00,489 --> 00:58:58,789 put a lot of money in this thing and he 1594 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:00,499 basically I say he's like the guy on 1595 00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:02,930 contact the movie contact he's like this 1596 00:59:05,979 --> 00:59:04,910 super rich guy in the background who 1597 00:59:08,050 --> 00:59:05,989 knows everything who has all this 1598 00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:08,060 material 1599 00:59:15,250 --> 00:59:13,280 so and give me the question again it 1600 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:15,260 relates to okay yeah I was about the 1601 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:17,210 Stephenville case did they look at that 1602 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:17,570 at all 1603 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:18,890 because the videos that they're 1604 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:21,170 releasing these are incidents that are 1605 00:59:25,330 --> 00:59:22,930 occurring over the ocean off the coast 1606 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:25,340 there's no mention whatsoever about 1607 00:59:29,770 --> 00:59:27,410 anything that's happening over land in 1608 00:59:34,540 --> 00:59:29,780 the United States and that was the 1609 00:59:37,690 --> 00:59:34,550 number one case yeah see he was buying 1610 00:59:39,609 --> 00:59:37,700 up all the private stuff from UFO stuff 1611 00:59:42,010 --> 00:59:39,619 the stuff with the a tip as they pointed 1612 00:59:44,650 --> 00:59:42,020 out is just military so they didn't look 1613 00:59:46,930 --> 00:59:44,660 at any pilot sightings anything they 1614 00:59:48,850 --> 00:59:46,940 were getting it through mostly Navy 1615 00:59:51,370 --> 00:59:48,860 stuff so that's where the a tip program 1616 00:59:52,540 --> 00:59:51,380 and that's where you look at where I say 1617 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:52,550 that people are sort of making a mistake 1618 00:59:56,170 --> 00:59:54,170 when you only look at one little thing 1619 00:59:57,490 --> 00:59:56,180 and you sort of buy one version of the 1620 00:59:59,470 --> 00:59:57,500 story like the New York Times is the 1621 01:00:01,390 --> 00:59:59,480 only the only story and they broke the 1622 01:00:03,370 --> 01:00:01,400 story and it's not true if you look at 1623 01:00:05,410 --> 01:00:03,380 the Washington Post story written by 1624 01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:05,420 this Warwick guy he said he was told 1625 01:00:08,859 --> 01:00:07,430 there was a number of programs and so 1626 01:00:10,570 --> 01:00:08,869 you gotta member he's got is a guy went 1627 01:00:12,190 --> 01:00:10,580 to Pulitzer Prizes National Security 1628 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:12,200 investigator for the Washington Post 1629 01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:14,930 gets to invent confirmations at least 1630 01:00:18,970 --> 01:00:16,790 from inside the Pentagon and is told 1631 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:18,980 there are other programs so the program 1632 01:00:27,609 --> 01:00:21,890 the 8a program is just it looks like 1633 01:00:28,690 --> 01:00:27,619 interactions with US Navy equipment and 1634 01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,700 there would be all these other programs 1635 01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:31,040 so there would be a program I don't care 1636 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:32,720 what anybody says they they're watching 1637 01:00:37,330 --> 01:00:35,690 everything and there's other some other 1638 01:00:41,620 --> 01:00:37,340 program because the work I think 1639 01:00:44,170 --> 01:00:41,630 mentioned the fact that there was CIA 1640 01:00:46,510 --> 01:00:44,180 program that was going on and I know I 1641 01:00:48,820 --> 01:00:46,520 talked to Angela joiner and she I it's 1642 01:00:52,030 --> 01:00:48,830 like I don't know whether I sort of had 1643 01:00:55,210 --> 01:00:52,040 a lucid moment or whatever but I 1644 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:55,220 remember Angela Joyner telling me and 1645 01:00:58,960 --> 01:00:56,930 she's the one that broke the story sure 1646 01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:58,970 she was telling me she had to come 1647 01:01:04,090 --> 01:01:01,520 across another story in Oregon and if 1648 01:01:06,190 --> 01:01:04,100 she'd been contacted by Bigelow's people 1649 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:06,200 and that because he remember he had 1650 01:01:10,540 --> 01:01:08,810 these 46 investigators so these 46 1651 01:01:12,430 --> 01:01:10,550 investigators are different than a tip 1652 01:01:14,890 --> 01:01:12,440 these are private investigators that 1653 01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:14,900 were working like when the star team was 1654 01:01:18,970 --> 01:01:16,640 shut down when he sort of broke off of 1655 01:01:20,170 --> 01:01:18,980 the star team the hid these 46 1656 01:01:21,380 --> 01:01:20,180 investigators and they were looking at 1657 01:01:24,140 --> 01:01:21,390 all sorts of stuff and 1658 01:01:25,850 --> 01:01:24,150 Angela said no he did never contact me 1659 01:01:27,830 --> 01:01:25,860 I'm thinking well I remember this thing 1660 01:01:29,390 --> 01:01:27,840 about some event in Oregon where 1661 01:01:32,690 --> 01:01:29,400 Bigelow's people were going in there 1662 01:01:34,250 --> 01:01:32,700 these high-level the private 1663 01:01:36,050 --> 01:01:34,260 investigators that he hired and people 1664 01:01:38,510 --> 01:01:36,060 like that and I talked to Michael Lee 1665 01:01:40,130 --> 01:01:38,520 Hill as well and Michael Lee Hill is he 1666 01:01:42,050 --> 01:01:40,140 claimed he you know his claim is that 1667 01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:42,060 his father's eric clapton he's an 1668 01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:43,370 experienced who had these experiences 1669 01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,520 UFO experiences over Lake Erie he's into 1670 01:01:52,780 --> 01:01:49,440 the Annunaki claims he was contacted by 1671 01:01:55,250 --> 01:01:52,790 the NSA and this guy inside the NSA and 1672 01:01:57,790 --> 01:01:55,260 he taught he tell I did an interview 1673 01:02:00,320 --> 01:01:57,800 with him which I put on my white US UFO 1674 01:02:03,230 --> 01:02:00,330 YouTube channel where he talks about 1675 01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:03,240 being contacted by Bigelow's people and 1676 01:02:06,590 --> 01:02:04,770 that they were telling him stuff about 1677 01:02:08,030 --> 01:02:06,600 the inside stuff so I swear to God 1678 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:08,040 remember in this whole thing with 1679 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:09,930 different sightings is that the amount 1680 01:02:13,580 --> 01:02:11,490 of material at Bigelow has when I heard 1681 01:02:15,470 --> 01:02:13,590 we had from this Brazil thing I mean it 1682 01:02:18,370 --> 01:02:15,480 was like thousands of pages and all the 1683 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:18,380 videos are not I mean he's basically got 1684 01:02:22,490 --> 01:02:20,970 probably a thousand times more material 1685 01:02:24,140 --> 01:02:22,500 than people know they just think he's 1686 01:02:26,270 --> 01:02:24,150 got a couple of documents this guy has 1687 01:02:27,590 --> 01:02:26,280 been collecting UFO material for many 1688 01:02:29,540 --> 01:02:27,600 many years you got remember when he had 1689 01:02:31,070 --> 01:02:29,550 the knids program he had the top guys 1690 01:02:34,190 --> 01:02:31,080 there's all these Avery guys like KITT 1691 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:34,200 green and there's a story penned off he 1692 01:02:37,850 --> 01:02:35,610 was I'm not sure Pandolfi was involved 1693 01:02:39,860 --> 01:02:37,860 but KITT green and Jack valet he had the 1694 01:02:41,390 --> 01:02:39,870 top people who he was picking their 1695 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:41,400 brains he's bringing them in for a 1696 01:02:45,140 --> 01:02:43,290 couple day conferences six times a year 1697 01:02:46,340 --> 01:02:45,150 into Las Vegas and they were going 1698 01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:46,350 through all this stuff they did all the 1699 01:02:50,420 --> 01:02:47,760 cattle mutilation stuff he had unlimited 1700 01:02:52,850 --> 01:02:50,430 amounts of money and so anything that is 1701 01:02:54,890 --> 01:02:52,860 of any importance in the UFO field I can 1702 01:02:56,660 --> 01:02:54,900 guarantee you that Bob Bigelow has spent 1703 01:03:00,190 --> 01:02:56,670 a lot of money trying to get the the 1704 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:00,200 actual data from that from those cases 1705 01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:02,490 now what do you think he plan to do with 1706 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:06,000 all that data well to him at Timmy if 1707 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:09,770 you listen to 2013 interview he said and 1708 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:12,810 companies get it and it will be 1709 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:14,970 proprietary and that's the way it should 1710 01:03:20,420 --> 01:03:18,210 be because they spent money so basically 1711 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:20,430 you have a situation where you have the 1712 01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:23,130 government wants Bigelow is if you go 1713 01:03:27,230 --> 01:03:24,900 back to there's a statement made by 1714 01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:27,240 Steven Greer back in the in the days of 1715 01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,190 Clinton where he claims he got this 1716 01:03:33,860 --> 01:03:31,680 thing to this briefing thing to Bill and 1717 01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:33,870 that this friend of Bill comes back and 1718 01:03:37,850 --> 01:03:35,130 he said the president can't do 1719 01:03:39,950 --> 01:03:37,860 he's gonna end up like JFK he can't do 1720 01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,960 it but you can and so people got to 1721 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:41,280 remember this is that what the 1722 01:03:43,940 --> 01:03:42,810 government I believe is trying to do is 1723 01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:43,950 they're trying to distance themselves 1724 01:03:48,590 --> 01:03:47,040 from the disclosure so bill is saying I 1725 01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:48,600 can't do it but you can and I've been 1726 01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:50,670 told this as well it's this idea that 1727 01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,710 what you're doing I think they're doing 1728 01:03:56,060 --> 01:03:54,480 is they're moving it into private 1729 01:03:58,880 --> 01:03:56,070 industry so they're moving all the stuff 1730 01:04:01,010 --> 01:03:58,890 into Bigelow Aerospace he controls all 1731 01:04:02,750 --> 01:04:01,020 this material and then it is Bigelow 1732 01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:02,760 that discloses and the government is off 1733 01:04:04,370 --> 01:04:03,240 the hook 1734 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:04,380 the government doesn't want to be the 1735 01:04:10,550 --> 01:04:07,410 people almost like like Hillary where 1736 01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,560 she never ever brought up the UFO 1737 01:04:15,290 --> 01:04:12,720 subject she only answered questions it's 1738 01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:15,300 this idea that that you they want us to 1739 01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:17,220 force the issue they want us to bring 1740 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:19,200 the disclosure to people they can't do 1741 01:04:22,340 --> 01:04:20,490 it because of this classified thing 1742 01:04:22,670 --> 01:04:22,350 plausible deniability all this kind of 1743 01:04:26,420 --> 01:04:22,680 stuff 1744 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:26,430 and so that's what I think is and so 1745 01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:28,890 Bigelow controls it know that Greenwald 1746 01:04:34,010 --> 01:04:31,650 is saying that even though he controls 1747 01:04:36,250 --> 01:04:34,020 that the reports are still have to be 1748 01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:36,260 brought out now that's gonna be 1749 01:04:41,930 --> 01:04:38,910 rectified but Bigelow is not even 1750 01:04:44,900 --> 01:04:41,940 talking now so he's not talking and I 1751 01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:44,910 can one of the the to the stars people 1752 01:04:49,130 --> 01:04:47,160 said we have to maybe it was helped put 1753 01:04:52,130 --> 01:04:49,140 off do we have to negotiate with Bigelow 1754 01:04:53,540 --> 01:04:52,140 now to get material but Bigelow does 1755 01:04:55,850 --> 01:04:53,550 control it I believe he's an honest guy 1756 01:04:57,590 --> 01:04:55,860 that's trying to get the answers but 1757 01:04:59,330 --> 01:04:57,600 he's looking at it like a business guy I 1758 01:05:01,070 --> 01:04:59,340 mean if you control this thing it's same 1759 01:05:04,250 --> 01:05:01,080 as the military military's looking at it 1760 01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:04,260 for for for weapons stuff can we develop 1761 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:06,090 a weapon can we stop the Russians from 1762 01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:08,250 developing a weapon or counter weapons 1763 01:05:12,140 --> 01:05:10,110 that the Russians may develop if you 1764 01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,150 listen to John Burroughs is saying that 1765 01:05:16,790 --> 01:05:14,640 the the documents from the rentals from 1766 01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:16,800 forests from the the British thing said 1767 01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:18,570 they've already created weapons based 1768 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:20,250 upon what happened at realms from 1769 01:05:23,690 --> 01:05:21,690 forests so that's the military 1770 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:23,700 application but Bigelow is looking at it 1771 01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:26,130 like if you can control this technology 1772 01:05:31,550 --> 01:05:29,280 you you controlled space I mean he's the 1773 01:05:34,190 --> 01:05:31,560 guy that's gonna control everything in 1774 01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:34,200 NASA you know the National Aeronautics 1775 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:37,020 Space Administration NSA they're all 1776 01:05:40,190 --> 01:05:38,490 gonna have to come to him because he's 1777 01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:40,200 got the technology so he's a business 1778 01:05:45,170 --> 01:05:42,810 guy and he said in 2013 its proprietary 1779 01:05:46,670 --> 01:05:45,180 and the gump companies have the right to 1780 01:05:48,660 --> 01:05:46,680 do it because they paid the money now he 1781 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:48,670 used other people's money to do it 1782 01:05:53,069 --> 01:05:50,410 he is brilliant he's absolutely 1783 01:05:56,730 --> 01:05:53,079 brilliant he has actually got control of 1784 01:06:00,569 --> 01:05:56,740 everything that a tip program is 1785 01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:00,579 essentially like a an inside job we got 1786 01:06:06,210 --> 01:06:03,790 the information that was coming in from 1787 01:06:07,799 --> 01:06:06,220 the military was basically an inside 1788 01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:07,809 heist it was fantastic 1789 01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:09,520 yeah and he'll put off help right the 1790 01:06:12,809 --> 01:06:11,410 the program like a lot of people think 1791 01:06:15,900 --> 01:06:12,819 it was a setup but only was a setup 1792 01:06:19,530 --> 01:06:15,910 there was there was a proposal put out 1793 01:06:21,210 --> 01:06:19,540 anybody could have bid on it but who 1794 01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:21,220 would have known I mean you know it 1795 01:06:25,549 --> 01:06:22,960 appears he'll put off rights he knows 1796 01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:25,559 exactly what to put in the proposal and 1797 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:28,240 you know Reid puts out the you know the 1798 01:06:32,430 --> 01:06:30,490 request for a proposal and every other 1799 01:06:34,289 --> 01:06:32,440 company looks at it and you know really 1800 01:06:36,089 --> 01:06:34,299 not interested they've got the inside 1801 01:06:38,730 --> 01:06:36,099 track in the fact that they know what 1802 01:06:40,380 --> 01:06:38,740 this program is gonna do so they write 1803 01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:40,390 the thing and I think they legitimate ly 1804 01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:42,730 got the the the right to this a tip 1805 01:06:47,579 --> 01:06:45,730 thing from 2007 on and as it's been 1806 01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:47,589 pointed out it's still going on and and 1807 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:49,270 I think put off actually said it's 1808 01:06:52,380 --> 01:06:51,010 intensified that it's actually more 1809 01:06:54,510 --> 01:06:52,390 intense than it was when they were 1810 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:54,520 running the program but as the near 1811 01:06:57,390 --> 01:06:55,930 washing you're talking about you're 1812 01:06:59,039 --> 01:06:57,400 talking about filled incidents now 1813 01:07:00,690 --> 01:06:59,049 you're talking about citing cases that 1814 01:07:03,030 --> 01:07:00,700 are happening you know in the moment 1815 01:07:04,740 --> 01:07:03,040 basically yeah with with the military 1816 01:07:07,799 --> 01:07:04,750 stuff like with because it seems like 1817 01:07:10,140 --> 01:07:07,809 they're interacting with now that's this 1818 01:07:14,579 --> 01:07:10,150 threat thing that they're interacting 1819 01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:14,589 with military like naval carriers and 1820 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:16,450 stuff like that and if you listen to Tom 1821 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:19,690 DeLonge Tom DeLonge is saying in 2013 1822 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:22,210 they shut down like a huge proportion of 1823 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:26,410 all the the nuclear weapons on the 1824 01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:27,970 submarines around the world and they 1825 01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:29,920 affected the the satellites that were 1826 01:07:34,799 --> 01:07:32,559 sending the information to the 1827 01:07:35,940 --> 01:07:34,809 submarines so there had you have this 1828 01:07:38,900 --> 01:07:35,950 interaction I think that's what the a 1829 01:07:41,220 --> 01:07:38,910 tip thing is is this interaction with 1830 01:07:42,690 --> 01:07:41,230 military units so there would be all 1831 01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:42,700 sorts of different things like the 1832 01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:45,849 experiencer thing I'm sure is this this 1833 01:07:51,420 --> 01:07:49,839 program because John John Alexander in 1834 01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:51,430 one interview has asked why did you go 1835 01:07:57,329 --> 01:07:54,730 see Chris but so and he said well my 1836 01:07:58,770 --> 01:07:57,339 sponsor told me to go talk to him so 1837 01:08:00,510 --> 01:07:58,780 there's this thing about sponsor and 1838 01:08:01,810 --> 01:08:00,520 Kent green there's a tape that was 1839 01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:01,820 leaked 1840 01:08:05,710 --> 01:08:04,400 which I haven't really I've I haven't 1841 01:08:06,700 --> 01:08:05,720 really released it yeah but it's it's on 1842 01:08:09,820 --> 01:08:06,710 the internet if you know where to find 1843 01:08:11,470 --> 01:08:09,830 it and this is kit green dealing with 1844 01:08:13,030 --> 01:08:11,480 one of the experiences and you can hear 1845 01:08:18,039 --> 01:08:13,040 what they're doing inside this program 1846 01:08:19,930 --> 01:08:18,049 this program with help put off and Gary 1847 01:08:23,410 --> 01:08:19,940 Nolan and they're using some pretty 1848 01:08:28,059 --> 01:08:23,420 high-end remote viewing stuff and so 1849 01:08:29,769 --> 01:08:28,069 that that material is is is sort of out 1850 01:08:31,059 --> 01:08:29,779 there but it's it's more high classified 1851 01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:31,069 but it's separate from the 8a program 1852 01:08:36,099 --> 01:08:33,890 and Jim semi ban actually told melinda 1853 01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:36,109 leslie he said well that's not really 1854 01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:38,000 part of to the stars 1855 01:08:42,849 --> 01:08:41,120 it's sort of an independent sort of 1856 01:08:46,329 --> 01:08:42,859 thing it's related but it's independent 1857 01:08:48,010 --> 01:08:46,339 and it's more it's more secret so it's 1858 01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:48,020 got a sponsor now i don't know if the 1859 01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:51,049 sponsor is Bigelow or who the sponsor is 1860 01:08:54,820 --> 01:08:53,120 for that program but it's looking at 1861 01:08:57,610 --> 01:08:54,830 experiences and that's where I say the 1862 01:08:59,530 --> 01:08:57,620 ultimate answer is is that so you have 1863 01:09:02,470 --> 01:08:59,540 the a tip programs looking at the 1864 01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:02,480 interactions with with with military 1865 01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:05,690 units you have the this unit that's 1866 01:09:09,220 --> 01:09:07,489 looking at experiences and you have all 1867 01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:09,230 probably all sorts of different programs 1868 01:09:13,059 --> 01:09:11,089 they're looking at different aspects of 1869 01:09:15,970 --> 01:09:13,069 the thing and it probably all filters 1870 01:09:17,229 --> 01:09:15,980 into Bob Bigelow because that's where 1871 01:09:18,700 --> 01:09:17,239 you can protect it because this 1872 01:09:19,450 --> 01:09:18,710 proprietary it's gonna be very hard to 1873 01:09:21,579 --> 01:09:19,460 get it out of there 1874 01:09:23,620 --> 01:09:21,589 you have no fya that can sort of 1875 01:09:26,590 --> 01:09:23,630 influence this kind of stuff and only 1876 01:09:29,050 --> 01:09:26,600 Bigelow and the people that he allows in 1877 01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:29,060 know exactly what he's got in these 1878 01:09:34,570 --> 01:09:31,489 these skiffs in Las Vegas he'd have all 1879 01:09:36,490 --> 01:09:34,580 these documents and and various rumors 1880 01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,500 on hardware Linda was talking about it 1881 01:09:40,690 --> 01:09:38,239 the other night about this she believes 1882 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:40,700 it's this this layered piece that they 1883 01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:42,650 have the Tom's along I was talks about 1884 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:44,930 is the arts parts piece that she worked 1885 01:09:52,690 --> 01:09:48,770 on this magnesium zinc stuff back in 1886 01:09:59,320 --> 01:09:52,700 1996 that she did reports on and I know 1887 01:10:04,690 --> 01:09:59,330 this guy this experience here from NASA 1888 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:04,700 he took Diane Poe salka and another 1889 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:06,650 academic if you heard the interview of 1890 01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:09,050 Diane pessoa did with with the Greg 1891 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:10,880 Bishop she talks about being taken there 1892 01:10:15,459 --> 01:10:13,010 and blindfolded on this site in New 1893 01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:15,469 Mexico this crash site in New Mexico why 1894 01:10:20,110 --> 01:10:17,120 the crash site was because I knew the 1895 01:10:22,450 --> 01:10:20,120 experience of in in in the National Air 1896 01:10:24,010 --> 01:10:22,460 and Space Administration I knew the guy 1897 01:10:26,380 --> 01:10:24,020 took him to the site so I know where the 1898 01:10:28,420 --> 01:10:26,390 site is and I've actually got a piece I 1899 01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:28,430 was given a piece and I cut off a little 1900 01:10:31,420 --> 01:10:30,170 piece and gave it back to the guy so 1901 01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:31,430 there's there's all these different 1902 01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:35,570 programs of metal jacques valet so that 1903 01:10:39,250 --> 01:10:37,250 meter went in there jack valet talks 1904 01:10:41,410 --> 01:10:39,260 about the stuff that's being thrown out 1905 01:10:43,330 --> 01:10:41,420 of ufos over the years these this 1906 01:10:44,860 --> 01:10:43,340 extruded material that ufos are 1907 01:10:46,450 --> 01:10:44,870 pretending like they're gonna crash and 1908 01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,460 then they shoot out this metal Jacques 1909 01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:47,840 valets got all this metal I'm sure 1910 01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:50,690 that's part of the material they've got 1911 01:11:00,640 --> 01:10:54,320 and then all the stuff Bigelow financed 1912 01:11:02,410 --> 01:11:00,650 all the the the abduction implant 1913 01:11:04,660 --> 01:11:02,420 research so he's got all that material 1914 01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,670 so that's the thing his Bob Bigelow is 1915 01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:06,560 the key to this whole thing he's got 1916 01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:08,480 control of all this stuff and has been 1917 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:10,250 absolutely working on this thing for 1918 01:11:14,620 --> 01:11:13,010 probably 30 years and has managed to 1919 01:11:16,810 --> 01:11:14,630 gather all the material together and 1920 01:11:19,060 --> 01:11:16,820 it'll be up to him what what he 1921 01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:19,070 discloses or whether he just continues 1922 01:11:24,610 --> 01:11:21,199 to use this stuff to try to develop 1923 01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:24,620 technology as far as the the study goes 1924 01:11:29,050 --> 01:11:27,410 through green and Nolen I've got a 1925 01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:29,060 little bit will be picking up some more 1926 01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:31,489 on this but one thing they had which is 1927 01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:33,410 basically a confirmation of the obvious 1928 01:11:36,610 --> 01:11:35,120 they didn't have a control group of 1929 01:11:38,860 --> 01:11:36,620 course which you would want in any 1930 01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:38,870 scientific study and there was also a 1931 01:11:45,850 --> 01:11:42,880 lot of peer-to-peer psychic 1932 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:45,860 experimentation since I guess they they 1933 01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:48,890 couldn't get et in on the study but they 1934 01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:50,290 had a lot of peer to peer 1935 01:11:54,430 --> 01:11:52,400 experimentation and I did hear one 1936 01:11:56,620 --> 01:11:54,440 interview you were talking about where 1937 01:11:58,209 --> 01:11:56,630 they separated or at least this was an 1938 01:12:00,850 --> 01:11:58,219 idea whether they actually pulled it off 1939 01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:00,860 or not they actually yes separated two 1940 01:12:06,970 --> 01:12:04,570 of the experiencers by some significant 1941 01:12:08,979 --> 01:12:06,980 geographical distance and put them both 1942 01:12:11,260 --> 01:12:08,989 in MRIs and they were trying this 1943 01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:11,270 experiment while they were in MRI 1944 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:15,850 machines yeah there that correctly I 1945 01:12:21,820 --> 01:12:18,890 didn't hear that someone knew I knew 1946 01:12:24,580 --> 01:12:21,830 that kit green if you go and you can 1947 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:24,590 actually search it MRI kit Green China 1948 01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:28,010 there's a guy was view at the Chinese 1949 01:12:32,230 --> 01:12:29,330 Academy of Science 1950 01:12:37,980 --> 01:12:32,240 and Gary Beckham so put Gary Beckham's 1951 01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:37,990 name in there in the search MRI and 1952 01:12:44,350 --> 01:12:41,090 national Chinese Academy of Sciences and 1953 01:12:46,150 --> 01:12:44,360 it'll pop up an experiment that oxy Gary 1954 01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:46,160 Beckham set up this soak it Green was 1955 01:12:50,860 --> 01:12:48,110 trying to run this already in 2008 and 1956 01:12:52,990 --> 01:12:50,870 Beckham said that he really kid green 1957 01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:53,000 never really talked to him after he put 1958 01:12:57,970 --> 01:12:55,360 this article public and it talked about 1959 01:13:01,180 --> 01:12:57,980 to psychics so wasn't talking about 1960 01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:01,190 experience it was talking about to like 1961 01:13:05,470 --> 01:13:03,710 remote viewing psychics in the MRI one 1962 01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:05,480 would be in China one would be in the 1963 01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:06,770 United States and what they're looking 1964 01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:09,170 at is this non-local thing so when they 1965 01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:10,640 send the target from one to the other 1966 01:13:17,380 --> 01:13:13,520 and they have in the MRIs is it an 1967 01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:17,390 instantaneous transfer of information so 1968 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:19,520 this idea that that consciousness is 1969 01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:21,770 non-local and he was very upset about it 1970 01:13:25,630 --> 01:13:23,600 so I can see that they would be doing 1971 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:25,640 this with experiences as well because 1972 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:26,810 you got to remember that the guys that 1973 01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:29,450 are behind us like KITT green as I said 1974 01:13:32,530 --> 01:13:30,530 he has one of the longest held 1975 01:13:34,180 --> 01:13:32,540 top-secret SDI security clearances and 1976 01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:34,190 that's because he was the control 1977 01:13:39,670 --> 01:13:37,250 officer for the CIA when they ran the 1978 01:13:41,530 --> 01:13:39,680 remote viewing program in the 1970s so 1979 01:13:45,580 --> 01:13:41,540 he knew the whole deal he worked with 1980 01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:45,590 Uri Geller and that's part of where does 1981 01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:48,050 that mansion I think it was Annie 1982 01:13:52,090 --> 01:13:49,520 Jacobson who writes about it in 1983 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:52,100 phenomena and talked on Lynda house show 1984 01:13:55,870 --> 01:13:53,810 for 35 minutes about this whole thing 1985 01:13:58,300 --> 01:13:55,880 her interactions with KITT green and 1986 01:14:00,040 --> 01:13:58,310 hearing Nolan and all these guys and 1987 01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:00,050 what they told her and that was that 1988 01:14:05,140 --> 01:14:02,690 it's not just they're looking for this 1989 01:14:07,390 --> 01:14:05,150 DNA marker and it's not just 1990 01:14:09,190 --> 01:14:07,400 experiencers but it's also highly 1991 01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,200 psychic people so they've got uri geller 1992 01:14:13,620 --> 01:14:12,320 z-- DNA of course your Geller is 1993 01:14:15,730 --> 01:14:13,630 probably an experience here based upon 1994 01:14:18,910 --> 01:14:15,740 what he what he's been talking about 1995 01:14:21,250 --> 01:14:18,920 Ingo Swann Joe mcmoneagle all these guys 1996 01:14:24,670 --> 01:14:21,260 and they're they're stating that there's 1997 01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:24,680 this similar marker in all the weather 1998 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:28,610 experiences or remote viewers so they 1999 01:14:32,530 --> 01:14:30,650 yeah it doesn't surprise me that they're 2000 01:14:34,570 --> 01:14:32,540 going to draw they're going to do all 2001 01:14:38,260 --> 01:14:34,580 these kind of remote viewing experiments 2002 01:14:40,450 --> 01:14:38,270 because the tape I heard that was 2003 01:14:42,010 --> 01:14:40,460 released and KITT green doesn't want to 2004 01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:42,020 comment legally you can't comment on it 2005 01:14:45,070 --> 01:14:42,710 because 2006 01:14:46,750 --> 01:14:45,080 there was the person whose they were 2007 01:14:48,910 --> 01:14:46,760 working with that released the tape 2008 01:14:51,310 --> 01:14:48,920 it wasn't did green that released the 2009 01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:51,320 tape so he can't comment on it but in 2010 01:14:54,340 --> 01:14:52,910 that one what they do is they give all 2011 01:14:55,900 --> 01:14:54,350 the various cause I've got all these 2012 01:15:00,610 --> 01:14:55,910 experiences when I first heard about 2013 01:15:02,650 --> 01:15:00,620 this in 2015 I heard about this thing it 2014 01:15:05,380 --> 01:15:02,660 was that kid green was working with 2015 01:15:07,060 --> 01:15:05,390 experiencers and that if you have two 2016 01:15:09,130 --> 01:15:07,070 percent of people in the general 2017 01:15:11,470 --> 01:15:09,140 population who are experiences you're 2018 01:15:13,060 --> 01:15:11,480 gonna have two percent of the high level 2019 01:15:15,070 --> 01:15:13,070 government officials who are also 2020 01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:15,080 experiences so you may have the Vice 2021 01:15:18,910 --> 01:15:16,880 President or the president come and say 2022 01:15:20,979 --> 01:15:18,920 you know last night I had this dream and 2023 01:15:22,270 --> 01:15:20,989 I was on this spacecraft on a thing and 2024 01:15:24,970 --> 01:15:22,280 there was these grey aliens and stuff 2025 01:15:26,650 --> 01:15:24,980 and when that happens they send this is 2026 01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,660 what I was told in 2015 they send you 2027 01:15:31,570 --> 01:15:28,640 two kid green and kid green is working 2028 01:15:33,850 --> 01:15:31,580 on a contract to the CIA and he's you 2029 01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:33,860 know a physiologist he's an expert on 2030 01:15:38,860 --> 01:15:36,410 MRIs he's an expert on brains and stuff 2031 01:15:41,010 --> 01:15:38,870 and so you send these people to get 2032 01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:41,020 green and he determines is the person 2033 01:15:47,740 --> 01:15:44,510 hallucinating as the person crazy or is 2034 01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:47,750 the person an abductee and because you 2035 01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:49,489 basically wanna know if or as the 2036 01:15:53,020 --> 01:15:51,050 Russians got him it did the Russians get 2037 01:15:56,290 --> 01:15:53,030 into this person's head so they send 2038 01:15:58,420 --> 01:15:56,300 these people so in in 2015 I was told he 2039 01:16:01,900 --> 01:15:58,430 had 40 people now the latest interview 2040 01:16:03,850 --> 01:16:01,910 that that Tom DeLonge did with Joe Rogan 2041 01:16:05,020 --> 01:16:03,860 said there's a couple hundred so look at 2042 01:16:07,180 --> 01:16:05,030 these people who have been injured but 2043 01:16:09,220 --> 01:16:07,190 also very highly psychic people and in 2044 01:16:11,170 --> 01:16:09,230 this tape that was released by one of 2045 01:16:12,820 --> 01:16:11,180 the the people that was in in the 2046 01:16:14,590 --> 01:16:12,830 experiment what they did is they gave 2047 01:16:16,750 --> 01:16:14,600 people target numbers so there was ear 2048 01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,760 zero one zero zero two and whatever and 2049 01:16:21,550 --> 01:16:18,880 then they would take remote viewers and 2050 01:16:23,410 --> 01:16:21,560 according to the what I was told the 2051 01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,420 remote viewer that there was a tumor or 2052 01:16:27,070 --> 01:16:25,280 user are using we're up to 90 percent 2053 01:16:29,260 --> 01:16:27,080 accurate on the material that they could 2054 01:16:30,490 --> 01:16:29,270 verify ninety-five percent accurate so 2055 01:16:31,930 --> 01:16:30,500 what they would do is they'd take the 2056 01:16:33,940 --> 01:16:31,940 remote viewer and they would give him 2057 01:16:35,770 --> 01:16:33,950 the target number of the experiencer and 2058 01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:35,780 they'd say okay tell us about this 2059 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:37,130 person and then they would describe the 2060 01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:39,770 person and they would you verify how 2061 01:16:43,150 --> 01:16:41,120 much of that material and then they 2062 01:16:44,979 --> 01:16:43,160 would say okay so who are they who are 2063 01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:44,989 they interacting with and on the one 2064 01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:46,250 tape I know if you've heard this tape on 2065 01:16:49,690 --> 01:16:47,810 the one tape they're talking about this 2066 01:16:52,030 --> 01:16:49,700 portal they're dealing with this alien 2067 01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:52,040 species and there's a portal off the 2068 01:16:56,139 --> 01:16:53,690 coast of California and stuff just 2069 01:16:57,819 --> 01:16:56,149 really fascinating stuff and it's 2070 01:16:59,560 --> 01:16:57,829 it's kid green running this experiment 2071 01:17:01,779 --> 01:16:59,570 so this is that there on the sort of the 2072 01:17:05,379 --> 01:17:01,789 leading edge of trying to use remote 2073 01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:05,389 viewers to try to get material out of 2074 01:17:08,649 --> 01:17:06,800 this and that's what I said to people is 2075 01:17:10,949 --> 01:17:08,659 that the experiences are the key things 2076 01:17:13,959 --> 01:17:10,959 that if you look at the free information 2077 01:17:15,549 --> 01:17:13,969 42% of all experiences say they have 2078 01:17:17,529 --> 01:17:15,559 mathematical technical or scientific 2079 01:17:19,419 --> 01:17:17,539 material that's downloaded into their 2080 01:17:21,879 --> 01:17:19,429 head and that they didn't get in school 2081 01:17:23,169 --> 01:17:21,889 or that 40% of all experiences say at 2082 01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:23,179 one point during their experience they 2083 01:17:26,379 --> 01:17:24,320 knew the answer to everything in the 2084 01:17:27,639 --> 01:17:26,389 universe that to me is like why would 2085 01:17:28,810 --> 01:17:27,649 you not talk to these people you can put 2086 01:17:30,580 --> 01:17:28,820 them through lie detectors do whatever 2087 01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:30,590 you got to do but but talk to these 2088 01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:32,570 people these people may have the answer 2089 01:17:36,399 --> 01:17:34,010 in their heads why and they're walking 2090 01:17:38,199 --> 01:17:36,409 around so they're sort of on the leading 2091 01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:38,209 edge and a lot of that stuff 2092 01:17:42,489 --> 01:17:41,209 they're just experimenting and I feel 2093 01:17:44,350 --> 01:17:42,499 sorry for them because they're you know 2094 01:17:47,859 --> 01:17:44,360 they're they're trying to stay inside 2095 01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:47,869 the scientific world where this stuff is 2096 01:17:52,899 --> 01:17:50,449 all frowned upon and they're they've got 2097 01:17:53,679 --> 01:17:52,909 these people that that may have answers 2098 01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:53,689 in the head and they're trying to figure 2099 01:17:57,819 --> 01:17:55,280 out what's going on and it all comes 2100 01:18:01,869 --> 01:17:57,829 down to what I call the antenna and and 2101 01:18:04,540 --> 01:18:01,879 I gave a lecture which I guess Nolan saw 2102 01:18:06,639 --> 01:18:04,550 and Nolan made this comment that when it 2103 01:18:08,679 --> 01:18:06,649 comes to UFOs and ETS I'm dead on the 2104 01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:08,689 mark and I think what he's referring to 2105 01:18:12,729 --> 01:18:11,030 I'm not 100% sure is this idea of the 2106 01:18:16,509 --> 01:18:12,739 antenna that they say that all 2107 01:18:18,580 --> 01:18:16,519 experiencers have a brain pattern that 2108 01:18:20,830 --> 01:18:18,590 they refer to and this is Annie Jacobson 2109 01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:20,840 says this publicly in her interviews 2110 01:18:26,020 --> 01:18:22,719 with them it's called the antenna that 2111 01:18:28,330 --> 01:18:26,030 experiencers are in touch they are able 2112 01:18:31,119 --> 01:18:28,340 to tap into whatever this phenomena is 2113 01:18:32,679 --> 01:18:31,129 and so that's why you have people like 2114 01:18:34,659 --> 01:18:32,689 Chris Bledsoe who has very very 2115 01:18:35,859 --> 01:18:34,669 high-level people in all sorts of 2116 01:18:37,659 --> 01:18:35,869 government agencies following because he 2117 01:18:39,399 --> 01:18:37,669 has a very high level of contact and 2118 01:18:40,810 --> 01:18:39,409 they're basically it's the idea you 2119 01:18:42,699 --> 01:18:40,820 cannot control the phenomena kind of 2120 01:18:44,469 --> 01:18:42,709 measure it so you could you watch the 2121 01:18:46,629 --> 01:18:44,479 people that the phenomena is interacting 2122 01:18:48,879 --> 01:18:46,639 with how do they actually interact and 2123 01:18:51,129 --> 01:18:48,889 that's why john alexander showed up to 2124 01:18:52,839 --> 01:18:51,139 talk to chris Bledsoe and so when John 2125 01:18:54,549 --> 01:18:52,849 Alexander's with Chris Bledsoe and John 2126 01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:54,559 Alexander actually describes it as being 2127 01:18:57,969 --> 01:18:56,239 one of the most fascinating things he'd 2128 01:18:59,560 --> 01:18:57,979 ever seen there standing on the Cape 2129 01:19:02,409 --> 01:18:59,570 Fear River where the abduction 2130 01:19:04,839 --> 01:19:02,419 experience happened in 2007 with five 2131 01:19:07,629 --> 01:19:04,849 witnesses 14 UFOs five different types 2132 01:19:09,099 --> 01:19:07,639 of aliens and and he's describing what 2133 01:19:09,690 --> 01:19:09,109 happened and wherever he was and what 2134 01:19:11,940 --> 01:19:09,700 happened 2135 01:19:14,610 --> 01:19:11,950 and then suddenly Chris says to Johnny 2136 01:19:16,260 --> 01:19:14,620 said they're here you're here and John 2137 01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:16,270 says why do you know they're here I just 2138 01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:17,710 know I just know they're here you're 2139 01:19:21,330 --> 01:19:19,690 here they're round and then a couple 2140 01:19:23,250 --> 01:19:21,340 seconds later boom this UFO appears over 2141 01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:23,260 their head and goes flying off and John 2142 01:19:27,570 --> 01:19:25,090 is just blown away and that's the whole 2143 01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:27,580 thing is that these people it's Chris 2144 01:19:31,140 --> 01:19:29,590 described it to me as once once you're 2145 01:19:33,060 --> 01:19:31,150 inside the craft and you become one with 2146 01:19:35,310 --> 01:19:33,070 the craft the craft is alive you become 2147 01:19:36,990 --> 01:19:35,320 one with the craft then you vibrate like 2148 01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:37,000 the craft so when the craft is in the 2149 01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:38,770 area you can pick up the vibration of 2150 01:19:42,690 --> 01:19:40,450 the craft and that's the kind of stuff 2151 01:19:45,060 --> 01:19:42,700 where it's the leading-edge stuff where 2152 01:19:47,370 --> 01:19:45,070 you watch the experiences and it's this 2153 01:19:50,130 --> 01:19:47,380 idea of the antenna that you can 2154 01:19:53,490 --> 01:19:50,140 actually these people are antenna so I 2155 01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:53,500 would describe people like if you if 2156 01:19:58,740 --> 01:19:56,320 you've ever talked to Joe Berks who work 2157 01:20:00,240 --> 01:19:58,750 he was sort of one of the lead people 2158 01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:00,250 with Steven Greer when he first started 2159 01:20:05,670 --> 01:20:02,890 and Joe Berks talks about this Russian 2160 01:20:07,410 --> 01:20:05,680 guy in he's running the California sort 2161 01:20:10,290 --> 01:20:07,420 of group thief they're doing ce-5 2162 01:20:11,940 --> 01:20:10,300 protocols and so it's sort of working is 2163 01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:11,950 sort of not working and suddenly this 2164 01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:15,520 guy appears from Russia and and and and 2165 01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:18,130 he he said as soon as this guy appeared 2166 01:20:22,440 --> 01:20:20,560 boom they started having contact all the 2167 01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:22,450 time and this is this idea of the 2168 01:20:27,810 --> 01:20:25,690 antenna or the project Rama or the 2169 01:20:30,210 --> 01:20:27,820 mission Rama group which I've talked 2170 01:20:31,860 --> 01:20:30,220 about endlessly for the last year or the 2171 01:20:35,550 --> 01:20:31,870 most I say the best story I've seen in 2172 01:20:36,990 --> 01:20:35,560 42 years we're gonna get yeah they 2173 01:20:39,930 --> 01:20:37,000 actually have their people to actually 2174 01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:39,940 call them antennas and so when I was 2175 01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:42,310 fascinated when I heard that that that 2176 01:20:45,450 --> 01:20:43,570 the to the stars 2177 01:20:48,420 --> 01:20:45,460 this group was calling this thing 2178 01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:48,430 antennas and these people actually refer 2179 01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:50,800 to the people who are interacting with 2180 01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:52,000 the beings and they can actually tell 2181 01:20:56,340 --> 01:20:54,400 you when the craft will appear to the 2182 01:20:58,170 --> 01:20:56,350 minute so when I had my first experience 2183 01:20:59,820 --> 01:20:58,180 with this mission Rama when they said 2184 01:21:01,710 --> 01:20:59,830 933 and suddenly this thing appeared 2185 01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:01,720 over my head at 9:33 let me tell you I 2186 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:04,000 was amazed I was like wow these these 2187 01:21:19,610 --> 01:21:06,010 antennas are really really good as the 2188 01:21:21,740 --> 01:21:19,620 same idea it's like they're able I 2189 01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:21,750 just to jump in really quick with a 2190 01:21:27,650 --> 01:21:24,050 quick question for you 2191 01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:27,660 one thing that's not coming from as far 2192 01:21:34,430 --> 01:21:32,400 as I know from the contactees is you 2193 01:21:38,180 --> 01:21:34,440 know any kind of a threat this isn't a 2194 01:21:42,170 --> 01:21:38,190 threatening thing yet when Elizondo or 2195 01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:42,180 mellon get on TV they are raising that 2196 01:21:48,980 --> 01:21:45,600 there they're waiving the threat flag so 2197 01:21:50,450 --> 01:21:48,990 obviously that's a strategy can you kind 2198 01:22:01,760 --> 01:21:50,460 of give us some insight into what the 2199 01:22:05,890 --> 01:22:01,770 thinking is there hello oh yeah yeah we 2200 01:22:12,380 --> 01:22:08,480 let's let's do this 2201 01:22:16,190 --> 01:22:12,390 let's end this and what's in the car now 2202 01:22:19,610 --> 01:22:16,200 you want to keep going then grant hello 2203 01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:19,620 yeah okay yeah let's say let's wrap it 2204 01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:21,090 up and let's say let's call you back 2205 01:22:48,810 --> 01:22:31,439 you 2206 01:22:59,980 --> 01:22:52,840 yeah that doesn't seem to be working 2207 01:22:59,990 --> 01:23:06,630 you 2208 01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:12,010 uh-huh James yeah yeah okay I think we 2209 01:23:20,110 --> 01:23:15,970 have lost grant oh thanks 2210 01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:20,120 they got I think we have grant you're 2211 01:23:33,070 --> 01:23:30,640 yeah let's try this one more time I'm 2212 01:23:42,580 --> 01:23:33,080 gonna hang up again we'll give it a 2213 01:23:42,590 --> 01:23:52,850 you 2214 01:23:57,570 --> 01:23:55,590 hello hello Frank 2215 01:24:04,680 --> 01:23:57,580 yep I'm still here and we're not getting 2216 01:24:08,700 --> 01:24:07,260 did you send a co-opting oh yeah I'm 2217 01:24:10,350 --> 01:24:08,710 calling him now yeah he's in the group 2218 01:24:20,490 --> 01:24:10,360 call oh my god I mean yeah let me end 2219 01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:24,089 you 2220 01:24:52,880 --> 01:25:02,140 oh yeah 2221 01:25:07,820 --> 01:25:04,750 [Music] 2222 01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:12,140 hello 2223 01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:13,929 [Music] 2224 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:32,160 a gret I cannot hear you again 2225 01:25:32,170 --> 01:25:36,560 hello Frank yeah 2226 01:25:41,090 --> 01:25:38,120 we're still missing grant yeah we're 2227 01:25:42,650 --> 01:25:41,100 still missing grant ah man 2228 01:25:52,910 --> 01:25:42,660 and that's weird to lose service just 2229 01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:52,920 like that okay got this nope 2230 01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:55,050 I mean yeah let me try grant one more 2231 01:26:07,920 --> 01:25:57,360 time all right you're still on the line 2232 01:26:07,930 --> 01:26:11,720 okay 2233 01:26:11,730 --> 01:26:19,290 think 2234 01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:40,570 let me let me end this call 2235 01:26:40,580 --> 01:26:47,979 you 2236 01:26:47,989 --> 01:26:59,070 I think we might lost them 2237 01:27:06,299 --> 01:27:02,170 [Music] 2238 01:27:12,149 --> 01:27:08,600 Oh grant 2239 01:27:14,879 --> 01:27:12,159 I cannot hear you 2240 01:27:18,089 --> 01:27:14,889 had James in just fine so I'm not sure 2241 01:27:19,649 --> 01:27:18,099 what the problem is but I can't hear you 2242 01:27:35,410 --> 01:27:19,659 at all I'm not sure if you can hear me 2243 01:27:35,420 --> 01:27:42,460 hello 2244 01:27:48,670 --> 01:27:44,740 we've got a connection but I'm not 2245 01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:56,700 oh yeah 2246 01:27:56,710 --> 01:28:10,459 you 2247 01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:12,410 come on 2248 01:28:33,930 --> 01:28:42,229 you 2249 01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:46,080 we'll give this one more shot 2250 01:29:04,699 --> 01:28:50,070 we did cover a lot of ground in about an 2251 01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:15,959 Oh 2252 01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:19,580 hello Frankie there yeah I'm here 2253 01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:22,930 grant he tried to reload Skype three 2254 01:29:29,100 --> 01:29:27,489 times he just emailed me okay I don't 2255 01:29:31,770 --> 01:29:29,110 know what the what the connection issue 2256 01:29:34,290 --> 01:29:31,780 is I'm not sure either but we did cover 2257 01:29:36,209 --> 01:29:34,300 an awful lot of ground we've run a good 2258 01:29:41,790 --> 01:29:36,219 hour and a half okay hang on let me give 2259 01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:41,800 it these calling in grant yes oh you're 2260 01:29:45,630 --> 01:29:42,850 back you're back 2261 01:29:48,990 --> 01:29:45,640 reboot the computer I was like oh my I 2262 01:29:51,630 --> 01:29:49,000 try restarted Skype three times and it 2263 01:29:54,900 --> 01:29:51,640 still had the delay and so okay so let 2264 01:29:58,200 --> 01:29:54,910 me they don't like the talk of antennas 2265 01:30:01,110 --> 01:29:58,210 I guess I guess not okay here now let's 2266 01:30:09,010 --> 01:30:01,120 see let me try to get James back in here 2267 01:30:17,959 --> 01:30:14,990 okay see if we can get James in 2268 01:30:20,060 --> 01:30:17,969 hopefully we can uh yeah when we started 2269 01:30:24,110 --> 01:30:20,070 breaking up what I was leading up to is 2270 01:30:25,790 --> 01:30:24,120 if you've got any thoughts on the sort 2271 01:30:29,209 --> 01:30:25,800 of the the disconnect between what the 2272 01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:29,219 contactees are saying and what Elizondo 2273 01:30:36,979 --> 01:30:31,770 and Mellon are saying regarding a threat 2274 01:30:39,229 --> 01:30:36,989 when they go on these TV interviews yeah 2275 01:30:43,370 --> 01:30:39,239 I can talk about that yep well yeah 2276 01:30:48,650 --> 01:30:43,380 we're we're on okay I just have to add 2277 01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:48,660 James okay yeah you want to wait till 2278 01:30:52,700 --> 01:30:50,610 James comes on you want me talk no go 2279 01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:52,710 ahead we've already taken enough of a 2280 01:30:59,720 --> 01:30:55,890 break here I want to okay yeah basically 2281 01:31:03,380 --> 01:30:59,730 what it comes down to is if you want to 2282 01:31:06,650 --> 01:31:03,390 finance a UFO program the only people 2283 01:31:07,790 --> 01:31:06,660 that have got any money is the military 2284 01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:07,800 and the only way you're going to get it 2285 01:31:14,150 --> 01:31:11,489 financed is to couch it as a threat 2286 01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:14,160 because if you say okay we think there's 2287 01:31:17,540 --> 01:31:15,810 some aliens and they're kind of 2288 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:17,550 interesting and we'd like to you know 2289 01:31:21,290 --> 01:31:20,010 curious whatever no you know what it's 2290 01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:21,300 like nobody in the government wants 2291 01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:22,560 anything to do with this at all so 2292 01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:26,010 that's why you have to make it look like 2293 01:31:31,490 --> 01:31:28,530 it's a threat cuz you gotta sell it you 2294 01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:31,500 sell it with fear you say we got to like 2295 01:31:35,300 --> 01:31:33,360 as Reid says you got to get it before 2296 01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:35,310 the Russians and the Chinese there may 2297 01:31:38,660 --> 01:31:36,930 be technology there and they're gonna 2298 01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:38,670 come and they're going to blow us up 2299 01:31:43,070 --> 01:31:41,130 with UFO technology if we don't take it 2300 01:31:46,010 --> 01:31:43,080 that's the same way they sold the remote 2301 01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:46,020 viewing program in the 1970s because it 2302 01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:50,610 was a you know the edge topic that no 2303 01:31:54,860 --> 01:31:53,010 scientist wanted to touch he would ruin 2304 01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:54,870 your career and so they said you know 2305 01:31:59,209 --> 01:31:57,330 the Russians are working on this they're 2306 01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:59,219 able to you know hypnotize people in 2307 01:32:02,930 --> 01:32:00,719 banks and take the money and all this 2308 01:32:05,180 --> 01:32:02,940 kind of stuff and unless we work on this 2309 01:32:06,740 --> 01:32:05,190 I mean the Russians big bad Russians 2310 01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:06,750 could come in and you know destroy us 2311 01:32:09,770 --> 01:32:08,250 and so that's the way you sell the 2312 01:32:11,330 --> 01:32:09,780 program so I don't think they believed 2313 01:32:14,510 --> 01:32:11,340 it because I think the Louella Xander 2314 01:32:16,189 --> 01:32:14,520 was even asked you know is there a 2315 01:32:17,450 --> 01:32:16,199 threat you're calling it a threat is 2316 01:32:19,340 --> 01:32:17,460 there a threat and then he tells this 2317 01:32:21,470 --> 01:32:19,350 story about well you know you lock your 2318 01:32:22,670 --> 01:32:21,480 door at night and it doesn't mean that 2319 01:32:23,870 --> 01:32:22,680 you're gonna get broken in 2320 01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:23,880 - and then suddenly you find out there's 2321 01:32:28,460 --> 01:32:26,010 footprints in in the living room it 2322 01:32:29,540 --> 01:32:28,470 doesn't mean that they're bad but you 2323 01:32:31,250 --> 01:32:29,550 gotta find out whether it's footprints 2324 01:32:33,290 --> 01:32:31,260 in your in your living room when you 2325 01:32:35,300 --> 01:32:33,300 lock the door at night and so that's 2326 01:32:37,460 --> 01:32:35,310 there just to me they're just we're 2327 01:32:39,230 --> 01:32:37,470 selling the program by presenting as a 2328 01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:39,240 threat because otherwise you're not 2329 01:32:42,620 --> 01:32:40,560 gonna get any money you're not gonna get 2330 01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:42,630 any funding from anybody got it so it's 2331 01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:45,330 just a sales job do you know if any of 2332 01:32:49,610 --> 01:32:47,130 the folks involved in the other rama 2333 01:32:50,750 --> 01:32:49,620 group or the the zen drous group i don't 2334 01:32:52,820 --> 01:32:50,760 know if that's two different groups or 2335 01:32:56,630 --> 01:32:52,830 not do you know if they were a part of 2336 01:32:59,150 --> 01:32:56,640 any of the contactee studies no and in 2337 01:33:01,400 --> 01:32:59,160 fact they don't even they was one of 2338 01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:01,410 them sort of sort of wanted me to back 2339 01:33:05,540 --> 01:33:02,970 off the bed and because I'm sort of 2340 01:33:07,490 --> 01:33:05,550 dragging the two together and they have 2341 01:33:10,250 --> 01:33:07,500 they have a lot of a sort of a religious 2342 01:33:13,100 --> 01:33:10,260 message that goes along with their 2343 01:33:15,860 --> 01:33:13,110 experiences whatever and to me I you 2344 01:33:17,570 --> 01:33:15,870 know that's sort of like a filter idea 2345 01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:17,580 that you you've got some impression as 2346 01:33:20,780 --> 01:33:19,440 to what you think's going on stuff I'm 2347 01:33:22,370 --> 01:33:20,790 really not that interested I'm just 2348 01:33:26,330 --> 01:33:22,380 interested in this very bizarre 2349 01:33:28,460 --> 01:33:26,340 connection between that both are calling 2350 01:33:31,220 --> 01:33:28,470 them antennas and the same principle 2351 01:33:34,370 --> 01:33:31,230 that when you get a high level 2352 01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:34,380 experience or who a lot of stuff happens 2353 01:33:40,010 --> 01:33:38,730 around it's it's advantageous to to 2354 01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:40,020 investigate them and that's what the 2355 01:33:44,930 --> 01:33:42,080 that's what this program is doing with 2356 01:33:46,700 --> 01:33:44,940 with to the Stars this sort of teach 2357 01:33:49,070 --> 01:33:46,710 secret program I don't know if you've 2358 01:33:51,530 --> 01:33:49,080 even picked up on Rama I I only knew 2359 01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:51,540 about this project Rama as of last 2360 01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:54,810 August and before then as I tell the 2361 01:34:00,530 --> 01:33:57,840 story I mean I my book Charlie red star 2362 01:34:02,210 --> 01:34:00,540 I've been optioned for a movie and I had 2363 01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:02,220 no interest they wanted to they were 2364 01:34:06,260 --> 01:34:03,840 gonna try to sell the Rama story with my 2365 01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:06,270 book and I said well I don't you pay 2366 01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:08,010 your option of the movie I'm not 2367 01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:09,570 interested in this stupid group of 2368 01:34:15,500 --> 01:34:12,930 contactees and so go to mountains and 2369 01:34:18,020 --> 01:34:15,510 stuff and so I wasn't really interested 2370 01:34:20,930 --> 01:34:18,030 it wasn't until I got this message going 2371 01:34:23,210 --> 01:34:20,940 across the Las Vegas the Nevada desert 2372 01:34:25,340 --> 01:34:23,220 from his alien that said there was gonna 2373 01:34:28,430 --> 01:34:25,350 be a program sighting on Saturday night 2374 01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:28,440 and then these two antennas that needs 2375 01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:30,210 other people inside the group each group 2376 01:34:35,450 --> 01:34:33,600 has an antenna person who makes the 2377 01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:35,460 contact and does this automatic writing 2378 01:34:39,350 --> 01:34:36,449 thing 2379 01:34:41,660 --> 01:34:39,360 and when this PhD psychologist trained 2380 01:34:44,330 --> 01:34:41,670 at Columbia University showing me the 2381 01:34:47,060 --> 01:34:44,340 message that said 2133 and this thing 2382 01:34:48,979 --> 01:34:47,070 happened at 21 33 I mean I was just 2383 01:34:50,839 --> 01:34:48,989 blown away I went like wow we got a we 2384 01:34:53,540 --> 01:34:50,849 got a we got to investigate these people 2385 01:34:56,029 --> 01:34:53,550 man this is something that and because 2386 01:34:57,140 --> 01:34:56,039 it was all in Spanish nobody in the 2387 01:34:59,989 --> 01:34:57,150 english-speaking world really knows 2388 01:35:02,209 --> 01:34:59,999 about these people and so I am so my 2389 01:35:04,459 --> 01:35:02,219 role as getting their message out that 2390 01:35:06,589 --> 01:35:04,469 there are these people who I mean you 2391 01:35:08,540 --> 01:35:06,599 see I call it the c5 on steroids 2392 01:35:10,549 --> 01:35:08,550 I mean c5 you set up some lights and you 2393 01:35:11,779 --> 01:35:10,559 music and all this kind of stuff and you 2394 01:35:13,580 --> 01:35:11,789 sort of cross your fingers and hope 2395 01:35:15,500 --> 01:35:13,590 something will show up these people can 2396 01:35:17,330 --> 01:35:15,510 actually tell you like to the minute and 2397 01:35:18,350 --> 01:35:17,340 they'll tell you if there's Endre is 2398 01:35:22,069 --> 01:35:18,360 gonna be open these interdimensional 2399 01:35:24,199 --> 01:35:22,079 portals I was just blown away I mean the 2400 01:35:26,930 --> 01:35:24,209 one other event that happened across the 2401 01:35:30,379 --> 01:35:26,940 road where we were was this Enrique 2402 01:35:32,149 --> 01:35:30,389 Villanueva and he's he was not an 2403 01:35:36,739 --> 01:35:32,159 antenna when he started but he now he's 2404 01:35:38,810 --> 01:35:36,749 an antenna and he draws this this thing 2405 01:35:40,969 --> 01:35:38,820 that appears in a crop circle two days 2406 01:35:45,049 --> 01:35:40,979 later and I'm like wow it's like a 2407 01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:45,059 really complex structure that he had 2408 01:35:48,770 --> 01:35:46,650 drawn two days before that thing 2409 01:35:49,969 --> 01:35:48,780 appeared in in England and I was just 2410 01:35:51,919 --> 01:35:49,979 blown away I said this is the most 2411 01:35:54,140 --> 01:35:51,929 amazing story I've ever seen because it 2412 01:35:55,310 --> 01:35:54,150 it dealt with the fact that because we 2413 01:35:56,449 --> 01:35:55,320 always had the problem in the UFO thing 2414 01:35:58,640 --> 01:35:56,459 is how do you how do you actually deal 2415 01:36:00,080 --> 01:35:58,650 with the phenomena how do you verify it 2416 01:36:03,259 --> 01:36:00,090 how do you actually know what's going on 2417 01:36:05,660 --> 01:36:03,269 and the way I see it after dealing with 2418 01:36:08,149 --> 01:36:05,670 Rama and after following this to the 2419 01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:08,159 Stars thing is the only way you can do 2420 01:36:12,709 --> 01:36:10,530 it is through experiences that these 2421 01:36:13,939 --> 01:36:12,719 deaths your only hope is that maybe 2422 01:36:16,069 --> 01:36:13,949 these people are telling the truth 2423 01:36:18,469 --> 01:36:16,079 maybe some of them actually do have 2424 01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:18,479 interactions and contacts with the 2425 01:36:22,430 --> 01:36:20,489 beings and you can go through them to 2426 01:36:24,919 --> 01:36:22,440 find out what's going on otherwise the 2427 01:36:28,430 --> 01:36:24,929 videos you can not going to get you 2428 01:36:29,930 --> 01:36:28,440 anywhere the reports theoretical ideas 2429 01:36:31,729 --> 01:36:29,940 about space travel aren't gonna get you 2430 01:36:34,069 --> 01:36:31,739 anywhere even the middle I remember the 2431 01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:34,079 Canadian government in the early fifties 2432 01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:36,449 when I first started I was investigating 2433 01:36:39,410 --> 01:36:37,440 with the Canadian government knew in the 2434 01:36:41,810 --> 01:36:39,420 early 1950s and the Canadian government 2435 01:36:43,939 --> 01:36:41,820 clearly the the guy stated there was all 2436 01:36:46,669 --> 01:36:43,949 sorts of material coming to Canada from 2437 01:36:48,199 --> 01:36:46,679 the US Air Force and we're not the new 2438 01:36:50,330 --> 01:36:48,209 SFR she said it wasn't coming from US 2439 01:36:52,430 --> 01:36:50,340 Air Force it was coming from 2440 01:36:54,140 --> 01:36:52,440 official sources and it was up to you to 2441 01:36:56,470 --> 01:36:54,150 figure out where it was but the US Air 2442 01:36:59,210 --> 01:36:56,480 Force did not control the hardware and 2443 01:37:01,850 --> 01:36:59,220 the the the Wilbur Smith who was running 2444 01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:01,860 the program said that there was a place 2445 01:37:06,260 --> 01:37:04,080 in the Pentagon that had all this 2446 01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:06,270 hardware in it and then I guess it moved 2447 01:37:08,690 --> 01:37:07,530 to wright-patterson and then it moved 2448 01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:08,700 here area 51 2449 01:37:12,980 --> 01:37:11,520 but when I asked the metallurgist I said 2450 01:37:15,770 --> 01:37:12,990 how much of this material did you handle 2451 01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:15,780 in 1950s he said tons of it and his son 2452 01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:19,410 described blue cars military cars 2453 01:37:22,970 --> 01:37:21,210 dropping off stuff that was being 2454 01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:22,980 analyzed and stuff like that and even 2455 01:37:26,540 --> 01:37:25,170 then Wilbur Smith at one point said it 2456 01:37:28,460 --> 01:37:26,550 might as well be in the fourth dimension 2457 01:37:30,140 --> 01:37:28,470 for what it's worth because in the end 2458 01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:30,150 even with the metal stuff you can tell 2459 01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:31,920 some stuff but it really doesn't give me 2460 01:37:35,330 --> 01:37:33,930 the full idea it's not until you 2461 01:37:38,540 --> 01:37:35,340 interact with someone like Chris 2462 01:37:39,980 --> 01:37:38,550 Bludso's who definitely is in contact 2463 01:37:43,340 --> 01:37:39,990 with something there's it's happening 2464 01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:43,350 even last Friday he sent me he sent me 2465 01:37:47,450 --> 01:37:45,810 some photos and Jim semi van was with 2466 01:37:48,890 --> 01:37:47,460 him when he took these photos of this 2467 01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:48,900 famous tree and I won't get into the 2468 01:37:53,660 --> 01:37:50,370 tree his famous tree that's on this 2469 01:37:57,020 --> 01:37:53,670 property and with this sort of looks 2470 01:38:01,820 --> 01:37:57,030 like a real clearly defined sort of myth 2471 01:38:04,250 --> 01:38:01,830 smoke going around the tree and then on 2472 01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,260 Good Friday he said I got this I got 2473 01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:06,480 this I they told me to come outside and 2474 01:38:10,940 --> 01:38:08,370 he goes outside he films this this 2475 01:38:12,890 --> 01:38:10,950 object flying around and now that's the 2476 01:38:15,500 --> 01:38:12,900 kind of stuff that experiencers will say 2477 01:38:16,910 --> 01:38:15,510 is I'm watching this movie and I 2478 01:38:19,940 --> 01:38:16,920 suddenly get the ID I should go outside 2479 01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:19,950 in and was star watch and they walk out 2480 01:38:23,930 --> 01:38:21,570 and this UFO is there and that's this 2481 01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:23,940 idea that there are people I firmly 2482 01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:25,010 believe there are people who actually 2483 01:38:30,110 --> 01:38:27,840 are in contact with whatever this 2484 01:38:31,850 --> 01:38:30,120 phenomena is and you have to look at 2485 01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:31,860 them and you have to use them and that's 2486 01:38:36,530 --> 01:38:33,840 what the to the stars group is doing is 2487 01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:36,540 they're finding different ways to try to 2488 01:38:42,350 --> 01:38:38,400 interact I've even heard the story that 2489 01:38:44,060 --> 01:38:42,360 they're gonna set up like a I know would 2490 01:38:46,190 --> 01:38:44,070 you call it like a bait thing where the 2491 01:38:47,810 --> 01:38:46,200 person is going to try to they move the 2492 01:38:49,670 --> 01:38:47,820 person into a controlled environment can 2493 01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:49,680 you bring the phenomena in and make the 2494 01:38:54,290 --> 01:38:51,810 phenomena appear so they're on the very 2495 01:38:56,690 --> 01:38:54,300 leading edge of trying to see where can 2496 01:38:58,190 --> 01:38:56,700 we go with this thing which is I give 2497 01:39:00,200 --> 01:38:58,200 them every amount of credit because 2498 01:39:01,250 --> 01:39:00,210 majority of people will say how do you 2499 01:39:02,690 --> 01:39:01,260 know they're telling the truth is how 2500 01:39:03,660 --> 01:39:02,700 you know whatever let me go back to 2501 01:39:09,180 --> 01:39:03,670 watching 2502 01:39:10,770 --> 01:39:09,190 the best chance we've got and you're 2503 01:39:12,450 --> 01:39:10,780 actually going to go out and get 2504 01:39:14,910 --> 01:39:12,460 hands-on yourself a little bit later 2505 01:39:16,979 --> 01:39:14,920 this year with one of these groups well 2506 01:39:20,010 --> 01:39:16,989 yeah there's two groups there's one 2507 01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:20,020 that's going up on Mount Shasta they 2508 01:39:26,370 --> 01:39:22,090 have these there's about five of these 2509 01:39:27,810 --> 01:39:26,380 major contactee guys these probably 2510 01:39:30,300 --> 01:39:27,820 they're all trained trained in project 2511 01:39:31,770 --> 01:39:30,310 Rama some of them aren't part of Rama 2512 01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:31,780 anymore but they still have the 2513 01:39:38,729 --> 01:39:35,410 protocols one is Enrique Villanueva out 2514 01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:38,739 of LA and he has an event on the August 2515 01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:41,770 long weekend I may have trouble going to 2516 01:39:46,290 --> 01:39:44,800 that one because and he had more stuff 2517 01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:46,300 going on than we did I mean some of the 2518 01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:48,130 stuff that he had a 908 event 2519 01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:51,610 ours was 933 he had the the message at 2520 01:39:54,270 --> 01:39:52,960 908 there was gonna be event and he had 2521 01:39:55,860 --> 01:39:54,280 actual aliens at 9:08 2522 01:39:59,400 --> 01:39:55,870 looked up in these aliens were standing 2523 01:40:03,090 --> 01:39:59,410 there and so he has an event on the 2524 01:40:05,340 --> 01:40:03,100 August first weekend in August but then 2525 01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:05,350 when I talked to him in LA last week or 2526 01:40:09,660 --> 01:40:07,360 week before he said well he wanted to be 2527 01:40:11,550 --> 01:40:09,670 a because we were I got a fly in and 2528 01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:11,560 it's pretty hard to fly in there either 2529 01:40:16,350 --> 01:40:14,560 travel three days by car each way or I 2530 01:40:18,150 --> 01:40:16,360 fly in but you can't really flame with 2531 01:40:21,330 --> 01:40:18,160 camping equipment and these people all 2532 01:40:22,380 --> 01:40:21,340 these it's all Latino people his is an 2533 01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:22,390 English speaking group but it's mostly 2534 01:40:27,150 --> 01:40:24,250 Latino people that show up from around 2535 01:40:29,070 --> 01:40:27,160 the world and they camp and it's like 2536 01:40:31,140 --> 01:40:29,080 freezing cold up there and I would have 2537 01:40:34,410 --> 01:40:31,150 to bring in all this you know sort of 2538 01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:34,420 winter gear and tents and this kind of 2539 01:40:37,979 --> 01:40:36,400 stuff for these nighttime things cuz he 2540 01:40:39,930 --> 01:40:37,989 doesn't want people staying down at the 2541 01:40:41,939 --> 01:40:39,940 at the bottom of the mountain in the 2542 01:40:44,459 --> 01:40:41,949 town so I may not go to that but 2543 01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:44,469 definitely September the 8th a guy by 2544 01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:47,199 name Ricardo Gonzalez and he's the guy 2545 01:40:51,450 --> 01:40:48,880 that was running the event where I was 2546 01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:51,460 where there was like 150 people where 2547 01:40:55,260 --> 01:40:53,530 this 9:33 event happened where this 2548 01:40:58,350 --> 01:40:55,270 thing starts flashing over my head and 2549 01:41:00,090 --> 01:40:58,360 he's on September the 8th I'll be going 2550 01:41:02,100 --> 01:41:00,100 to that one for sure it'll be a lot 2551 01:41:04,140 --> 01:41:02,110 colder because it's it's nice during the 2552 01:41:06,419 --> 01:41:04,150 day but it gets very cold at the night 2553 01:41:08,729 --> 01:41:06,429 because what what happened is and the 2554 01:41:12,209 --> 01:41:08,739 important part is is that these guys are 2555 01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:12,219 able to open these the beings from time 2556 01:41:16,140 --> 01:41:13,690 to time will open what are called Zen 2557 01:41:17,820 --> 01:41:16,150 Duras and in the english-speaking world 2558 01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:17,830 we call it portal so I could listen to 2559 01:41:21,810 --> 01:41:19,930 Pandolfi and that whole camp they're 2560 01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:21,820 talking about portals to talk about you 2561 01:41:26,370 --> 01:41:24,010 know this experiment that supposedly 2562 01:41:28,860 --> 01:41:26,380 happened in Salt Lake City yesterday 2563 01:41:31,020 --> 01:41:28,870 with Joe firmage the Joe firmage has 2564 01:41:33,230 --> 01:41:31,030 been involved in this Joe for images an 2565 01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:33,240 experienced or high-level or a big 2566 01:41:38,460 --> 01:41:35,890 business guy you know built three 2567 01:41:41,820 --> 01:41:38,470 billion dollar computer company who gets 2568 01:41:43,620 --> 01:41:41,830 this being appear in his room and starts 2569 01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:43,630 talking about spaceflight and he says 2570 01:41:47,190 --> 01:41:45,520 you I'm willing to die for this suddenly 2571 01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:47,200 quits this company start spending all 2572 01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:50,080 his money on building a portal he's a 2573 01:41:53,460 --> 01:41:51,970 Mormon guy and one of the stories was 2574 01:41:55,260 --> 01:41:53,470 he's building this portal tomb arm in 2575 01:41:57,900 --> 01:41:55,270 heaven and he's trying to get this off 2576 01:42:01,170 --> 01:41:57,910 world thing and as of yesterday there's 2577 01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:01,180 an experiment that he was running and 2578 01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:02,890 Ron started leaked this stuff out on 2579 01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:05,920 open minds forum last week and the story 2580 01:42:11,190 --> 01:42:08,560 is that the experiment was run yesterday 2581 01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:11,200 and that there was people from all 2582 01:42:16,470 --> 01:42:12,850 around the world who'd come in there and 2583 01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:16,480 if you go to Joe firm ages face book 2584 01:42:21,780 --> 01:42:19,360 enough Facebook his YouTube page there's 2585 01:42:23,250 --> 01:42:21,790 an item on there in one of the V's only 2586 01:42:26,820 --> 01:42:23,260 got about six videos one of the videos 2587 01:42:28,770 --> 01:42:26,830 shows this it looks like a cage with a 2588 01:42:30,780 --> 01:42:28,780 spinning object on the inside of it and 2589 01:42:33,180 --> 01:42:30,790 this is the experiment that apparently 2590 01:42:35,930 --> 01:42:33,190 they've perfected they have got this 2591 01:42:39,150 --> 01:42:35,940 thing operational and there's a former 2592 01:42:41,490 --> 01:42:39,160 Republican congressman by name of Dan 2593 01:42:44,150 --> 01:42:41,500 Merritt who has put four million dollars 2594 01:42:49,380 --> 01:42:44,160 into this so Dan Merritt is the chairman 2595 01:42:52,050 --> 01:42:49,390 and there's Kevin Alber is the CEO and 2596 01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:52,060 then there's Joe firmage and they were 2597 01:42:56,370 --> 01:42:54,880 gonna run this thing yesterday to see if 2598 01:42:57,720 --> 01:42:56,380 it ah if it operated all these people 2599 01:43:01,350 --> 01:42:57,730 from around the world had flown in there 2600 01:43:04,230 --> 01:43:01,360 and then next week Ron Pandolfi his wife 2601 01:43:05,790 --> 01:43:04,240 Dan Smith and I guess the whole crew are 2602 01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:05,800 going to the mountain they're going to 2603 01:43:10,140 --> 01:43:08,290 Colorado and I know where they're going 2604 01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:10,150 but this is this this whole deal so 2605 01:43:14,910 --> 01:43:12,610 they're talking portals and I've talked 2606 01:43:16,860 --> 01:43:14,920 to people and they say no it's not a 2607 01:43:18,450 --> 01:43:16,870 portal it's this anti-gravity device 2608 01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:18,460 that he's that he's created that they 2609 01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:21,280 can maybe mass-produce and yet dan is 2610 01:43:23,910 --> 01:43:22,930 still talking about portals so the 2611 01:43:25,950 --> 01:43:23,920 english-speaking world they talk about 2612 01:43:28,590 --> 01:43:25,960 portals but the product the project 2613 01:43:30,630 --> 01:43:28,600 Ramar the mission Rama people have these 2614 01:43:31,740 --> 01:43:30,640 things that are actually on video they 2615 01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:31,750 actually videos of them 2616 01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:33,520 have photographs and they're called 2617 01:43:37,830 --> 01:43:35,290 xendrius and they are like 2618 01:43:39,630 --> 01:43:37,840 interdimensional bubbles that the the 2619 01:43:43,230 --> 01:43:39,640 beings create this interdimensional 2620 01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:43,240 bubble and you go into the bubble seven 2621 01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:45,010 at a time seven people are allowed into 2622 01:43:48,570 --> 01:43:47,890 it and you can either pop into another 2623 01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:48,580 world 2624 01:43:52,140 --> 01:43:51,040 so you're on another planet or you're in 2625 01:43:54,990 --> 01:43:52,150 this sort of thing where you're 2626 01:43:57,770 --> 01:43:55,000 interacting mentally with a message is 2627 01:44:02,190 --> 01:43:57,780 coming to you from an alien and in 2014 2628 01:44:04,230 --> 01:44:02,200 2015 at Mount Shasta where I was when 2629 01:44:06,810 --> 01:44:04,240 this event happened to me in August of 2630 01:44:10,500 --> 01:44:06,820 last year I heard that they had opened 2631 01:44:12,330 --> 01:44:10,510 these Endres in 2014 2015 and that paula 2632 01:44:15,390 --> 01:44:12,340 Harris who's a good friend of mine has 2633 01:44:17,130 --> 01:44:15,400 been in both xendrius so I when when I 2634 01:44:19,830 --> 01:44:17,140 got sort of fascinated with this whole 2635 01:44:21,930 --> 01:44:19,840 thing that they could make this UFO 2636 01:44:25,290 --> 01:44:21,940 flyby at exactly to the minute they said 2637 01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:25,300 I said the pollow I said can you take me 2638 01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:27,040 and show me where this they opened is 2639 01:44:31,650 --> 01:44:29,770 endre so she tells me she did we go 2640 01:44:35,850 --> 01:44:31,660 across this field to where Enrique's 2641 01:44:37,140 --> 01:44:35,860 group would be was working and she tells 2642 01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:37,150 me there's twenty two minute thing and I 2643 01:44:41,910 --> 01:44:40,210 put it on on YouTube she describes where 2644 01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:41,920 she is there's seven people they're 2645 01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:42,730 holding hands 2646 01:44:47,100 --> 01:44:45,130 just white bluish fog is coming off the 2647 01:44:49,470 --> 01:44:47,110 ground lighting up this completely dark 2648 01:44:50,700 --> 01:44:49,480 there's no moon or anything it's up on 2649 01:44:52,770 --> 01:44:50,710 the side of the mountain completely dark 2650 01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:52,780 is bluish white fog is coming up 2651 01:44:56,460 --> 01:44:54,970 lighting up the ground and they walk 2652 01:44:57,750 --> 01:44:56,470 through this fog and then they're told 2653 01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:57,760 as soon as you get through the fog let 2654 01:45:02,190 --> 01:44:59,920 go and they let go and there's this nine 2655 01:45:03,870 --> 01:45:02,200 to ten foot being standing there with a 2656 01:45:06,090 --> 01:45:03,880 with a hoodie on everybody describes the 2657 01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:06,100 same thing with this hoodie on and he's 2658 01:45:09,540 --> 01:45:07,840 got a very stern look on his face and 2659 01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:09,550 he's got this white sort of hair down to 2660 01:45:16,530 --> 01:45:12,730 his shoulders and he's got he's built 2661 01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:16,540 like a like a swimmer very muscular very 2662 01:45:21,060 --> 01:45:19,930 tight sort of bicycle suit on every 2663 01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:21,070 describing the same thing I was just 2664 01:45:25,380 --> 01:45:23,170 fascinated and then she said so so this 2665 01:45:27,630 --> 01:45:25,390 would be like a like a tall white man if 2666 01:45:30,180 --> 01:45:27,640 you know we have some of the the the 2667 01:45:33,300 --> 01:45:30,190 different descriptions that have been 2668 01:45:35,850 --> 01:45:33,310 floating around Oh white very human 2669 01:45:37,740 --> 01:45:35,860 looking yeah in fact very beauty the the 2670 01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:37,750 female is described as being very 2671 01:45:43,770 --> 01:45:41,050 beautiful he's very very the almost like 2672 01:45:45,119 --> 01:45:43,780 sculptured like the faces no flaws in 2673 01:45:46,770 --> 01:45:45,129 the face and 2674 01:45:48,359 --> 01:45:46,780 and when she said to me she said well 2675 01:45:51,719 --> 01:45:48,369 most of the people that were in the Zen 2676 01:45:53,549 --> 01:45:51,729 dress because in 2014-2015 both years 2677 01:45:55,649 --> 01:45:53,559 they had like nine or ten witnesses 2678 01:45:57,629 --> 01:45:55,659 either on the edge of the Zender or in 2679 01:46:00,119 --> 01:45:57,639 the Zandra and i'm going like wow this 2680 01:46:02,250 --> 01:46:00,129 is this t5 this is not you know 2681 01:46:04,169 --> 01:46:02,260 something that you know one person saw 2682 01:46:06,419 --> 01:46:04,179 or some sighting in the sky this is 2683 01:46:08,759 --> 01:46:06,429 actual where you can actually verify and 2684 01:46:10,229 --> 01:46:08,769 I said well let's go can can we 2685 01:46:12,209 --> 01:46:10,239 interview these people and we go and 2686 01:46:13,919 --> 01:46:12,219 never like scattering like rats I mean 2687 01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:13,929 they're they're all sitting in a sort of 2688 01:46:17,699 --> 01:46:15,280 a group because they've both sort of 2689 01:46:19,979 --> 01:46:17,709 follow these like Ricardo we'll have 2690 01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:19,989 these people go that he'll be in in 2691 01:46:26,879 --> 01:46:23,050 Spain or he'll be in Peru or he'll be in 2692 01:46:28,139 --> 01:46:26,889 Chile or in in in Russia and these 2693 01:46:30,359 --> 01:46:28,149 people sort of follow him around these 2694 01:46:31,500 --> 01:46:30,369 people are you know following him around 2695 01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:31,510 because they're doing these meditations 2696 01:46:37,979 --> 01:46:35,199 for rural peace and so these people are 2697 01:46:40,229 --> 01:46:37,989 all sort of together and I got about 2698 01:46:41,790 --> 01:46:40,239 maybe six of them on camera some of them 2699 01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:41,800 didn't want to go on camera because of 2700 01:46:45,029 --> 01:46:43,449 their English and stuff and basically 2701 01:46:48,119 --> 01:46:45,039 they all told the same story I said okay 2702 01:46:49,979 --> 01:46:48,129 so you were in this Xandra yeah and they 2703 01:46:51,599 --> 01:46:49,989 couldn't speak English very well and 2704 01:46:53,969 --> 01:46:51,609 they would say yeah and what do you do 2705 01:46:55,739 --> 01:46:53,979 oh I'm a housekeeper or I'm a gardener I 2706 01:46:57,719 --> 01:46:55,749 mean they just ordinary people and so 2707 01:47:01,020 --> 01:46:57,729 what you see oh there was this guy was 2708 01:47:02,549 --> 01:47:01,030 about ten feet tall and he had this long 2709 01:47:04,919 --> 01:47:02,559 white hair and he looked like he was in 2710 01:47:06,359 --> 01:47:04,929 a bicycle suit and he had this very 2711 01:47:07,709 --> 01:47:06,369 stern look understand everybody was 2712 01:47:09,750 --> 01:47:07,719 saying the same thing I go next person 2713 01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:09,760 did you see it oh yeah yeah I saw it you 2714 01:47:13,919 --> 01:47:12,159 know and it was I was just floored that 2715 01:47:16,139 --> 01:47:13,929 you actually had this sort of thing so 2716 01:47:17,369 --> 01:47:16,149 they they didn't open as Endre when I 2717 01:47:18,659 --> 01:47:17,379 was there because that's what they said 2718 01:47:20,909 --> 01:47:18,669 there would be a programme sighting and 2719 01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:20,919 I knew that it had these endres so I 2720 01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:22,449 thought holy cow maybe they'd open one 2721 01:47:25,319 --> 01:47:23,530 of these Enders I am I actually gonna 2722 01:47:27,149 --> 01:47:25,329 actually see an alien because I've you 2723 01:47:29,369 --> 01:47:27,159 know I've seen UFOs but I've never seen 2724 01:47:31,589 --> 01:47:29,379 anything like that so that's why I'm 2725 01:47:33,419 --> 01:47:31,599 going back is because they may open one 2726 01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:33,429 of these these endres now they all say 2727 01:47:36,359 --> 01:47:35,050 to me well it's you know it's not about 2728 01:47:38,189 --> 01:47:36,369 the circus and I say well yeah I just 2729 01:47:39,959 --> 01:47:38,199 want the circus because I'm sort of 2730 01:47:42,029 --> 01:47:39,969 turning it into the circus I say yeah it 2731 01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:42,039 is a circus I say take a look at Jesus 2732 01:47:45,899 --> 01:47:43,570 Christ I mean if Jesus Christ had walked 2733 01:47:47,669 --> 01:47:45,909 on water healed people you know fed 2734 01:47:49,049 --> 01:47:47,679 5,000 people with a couple of fish and a 2735 01:47:50,639 --> 01:47:49,059 couple of bread you never would have 2736 01:47:51,750 --> 01:47:50,649 heard of the guy you need the circus 2737 01:47:54,779 --> 01:47:51,760 that's what they're doing they're doing 2738 01:47:56,669 --> 01:47:54,789 the circus like so so you see a UFO why 2739 01:47:58,589 --> 01:47:56,679 do you always have lights on them so you 2740 01:47:58,830 --> 01:47:58,599 can see them they want you to see them 2741 01:48:00,300 --> 01:47:58,840 when 2742 01:48:02,459 --> 01:48:00,310 you see a UFO you're part of the game 2743 01:48:03,810 --> 01:48:02,469 because when they do abductions you 2744 01:48:05,550 --> 01:48:03,820 don't see them they can cloak themselves 2745 01:48:07,050 --> 01:48:05,560 whenever they want so when you see them 2746 01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:07,060 they want you to see them this is a 2747 01:48:12,270 --> 01:48:09,520 circus they're trying to drag you in and 2748 01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:12,280 when you have the experience then you're 2749 01:48:16,770 --> 01:48:14,290 hooked then you're there messenger you 2750 01:48:18,330 --> 01:48:16,780 know putting the message so yes it is a 2751 01:48:19,740 --> 01:48:18,340 circus and so they're trying to try to 2752 01:48:20,939 --> 01:48:19,750 back me off and say oh it's about the 2753 01:48:22,500 --> 01:48:20,949 meditation and some of the people that 2754 01:48:23,879 --> 01:48:22,510 are actually saying that actually left 2755 01:48:24,750 --> 01:48:23,889 Saturday night after the event the 2756 01:48:26,129 --> 01:48:24,760 Sunday morning they were still 2757 01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:26,139 meditating and these people laughing 2758 01:48:30,270 --> 01:48:28,810 okay you know if it says circus and if 2759 01:48:31,470 --> 01:48:30,280 it's a meditation for world peace like 2760 01:48:33,770 --> 01:48:31,480 where did you go Sunday morning you 2761 01:48:37,140 --> 01:48:33,780 weren't even there you took off you know 2762 01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:37,150 a lot of people go there and to me it's 2763 01:48:41,310 --> 01:48:38,800 like and it's a long trip for me it's 2764 01:48:43,770 --> 01:48:41,320 like 40 hours each way but for me just 2765 01:48:46,410 --> 01:48:43,780 the chance that one of these Enders may 2766 01:48:48,419 --> 01:48:46,420 open up I mean cuz I haven't seen much 2767 01:48:50,220 --> 01:48:48,429 paranormal stuff in my life I would just 2768 01:48:51,419 --> 01:48:50,230 I'll go there every year just for the 2769 01:48:53,129 --> 01:48:51,429 hope that some one of these things will 2770 01:48:55,740 --> 01:48:53,139 do it because these guys can open them 2771 01:48:59,490 --> 01:48:55,750 and and I started looking at events cuz 2772 01:49:01,500 --> 01:48:59,500 I'm doing a book on this and went once I 2773 01:49:04,020 --> 01:49:01,510 found out the Zen resort couldn't Mount 2774 01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:04,030 Shasta in 14 and 15 then I found out 2775 01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:05,770 they had opened one in 2008 only one 2776 01:49:09,930 --> 01:49:07,210 person went through it then I found out 2777 01:49:12,450 --> 01:49:09,940 there was one in near Mount Shasta in 2778 01:49:18,660 --> 01:49:12,460 1994 where 50 people went through and 2779 01:49:22,530 --> 01:49:18,670 the one guy's name is Joe his name he's 2780 01:49:24,330 --> 01:49:22,540 a 747 United Airlines pilot and I talked 2781 01:49:26,129 --> 01:49:24,340 to Joe Burks I said well would he go on 2782 01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:26,139 would he go on camera about this and he 2783 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:28,090 said yeah thinking what so I'm gonna 2784 01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:30,010 interview this guy and he there was 49 2785 01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:31,840 people went through that Xandra there's 2786 01:49:37,399 --> 01:49:33,130 one you can actually look up on the 2787 01:49:38,810 --> 01:49:37,409 internet if you google search world's 2788 01:49:43,740 --> 01:49:38,820 world 2789 01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:43,750 ramaa conference uruguay 2009 Xandra 2790 01:49:47,399 --> 01:49:46,090 it'll pop up there's a video on the 2791 01:49:49,140 --> 01:49:47,409 internet this thing was there for two 2792 01:49:51,629 --> 01:49:49,150 days so we have lots of photos of these 2793 01:49:54,990 --> 01:49:51,639 these interdimensional things when they 2794 01:49:57,720 --> 01:49:55,000 appear and that 125 people went through 2795 01:49:59,820 --> 01:49:57,730 that Xandra and so I'm thinking like wow 2796 01:50:02,280 --> 01:49:59,830 I mean this is the most amazing story of 2797 01:50:03,689 --> 01:50:02,290 all these things were piles of these 2798 01:50:05,010 --> 01:50:03,699 people go through and then to interview 2799 01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:05,020 these people and say okay you were in 2800 01:50:08,339 --> 01:50:06,880 this thing what happened because it's 2801 01:50:11,790 --> 01:50:08,349 it's it's almost like a controllable 2802 01:50:12,750 --> 01:50:11,800 event if you go to enough events you're 2803 01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:12,760 going to be there one 2804 01:50:16,050 --> 01:50:14,170 these things actually opens up but they 2805 01:50:17,970 --> 01:50:16,060 still are into the thing about you know 2806 01:50:19,770 --> 01:50:17,980 there's this religious message and it's 2807 01:50:22,380 --> 01:50:19,780 about world peace and stuff and yeah 2808 01:50:26,730 --> 01:50:22,390 maybe about that but you know to me it's 2809 01:50:31,770 --> 01:50:26,740 it's still partly about the circus James 2810 01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:31,780 I think you're back with us correct okay 2811 01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:36,000 yes the and I had a question about well 2812 01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:39,130 getting invested is endres and the 2813 01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:41,290 antennas that's what dr. Joe Burke's had 2814 01:50:48,330 --> 01:50:46,000 called prime contactees which actually 2815 01:50:50,610 --> 01:50:48,340 probably dr. Steven Greer started off as 2816 01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:50,620 is when he had that event in Florida 2817 01:51:01,320 --> 01:50:54,970 that attracted the at that Beach during 2818 01:51:04,380 --> 01:51:01,330 that UFO flaps yeah but the the antennas 2819 01:51:06,060 --> 01:51:04,390 now you said Enrique said that and Rick 2820 01:51:07,740 --> 01:51:06,070 Yvonne would wave I said he didn't start 2821 01:51:11,190 --> 01:51:07,750 off as an antenna but he became one 2822 01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:11,200 right so one of the questions that I had 2823 01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:17,410 was if you know becoming an experienced 2824 01:51:23,220 --> 01:51:21,370 or having an experience or opens you up 2825 01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:23,230 to becoming an antenna by having a 2826 01:51:30,890 --> 01:51:25,930 sighting and and that maybe augments 2827 01:51:34,860 --> 01:51:30,900 people's psychic abilities yeah yeah it 2828 01:51:36,420 --> 01:51:34,870 somehow has to do with I think with the 2829 01:51:40,230 --> 01:51:36,430 interaction like when Chris Basso tells 2830 01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:40,240 me once you've been in the craft and 2831 01:51:44,430 --> 01:51:42,130 touched the craft to flight like who 2832 01:51:46,350 --> 01:51:44,440 flew the craft then you know when 2833 01:51:49,230 --> 01:51:46,360 they're around and it's this sort of and 2834 01:51:50,670 --> 01:51:49,240 so Steven Greer his whole thing starts 2835 01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:50,680 he has a sighting at eight years old and 2836 01:51:54,090 --> 01:51:52,810 then he's taken on board the craft when 2837 01:51:55,260 --> 01:51:54,100 he's eight eighteen years old and he 2838 01:51:58,050 --> 01:51:55,270 says it's not an abduction but it's 2839 01:51:59,850 --> 01:51:58,060 still the same thing you you sort of 2840 01:52:01,830 --> 01:51:59,860 like when you interact with it then it's 2841 01:52:04,110 --> 01:52:01,840 almost like you pick up or they teach 2842 01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:04,120 you like a lot of the experiences we'll 2843 01:52:10,440 --> 01:52:06,880 talk about being kids sitting in a room 2844 01:52:11,820 --> 01:52:10,450 and they they can't look up they can see 2845 01:52:14,130 --> 01:52:11,830 there's a being there but they can't see 2846 01:52:16,020 --> 01:52:14,140 the beings Edie I did have had a couple 2847 01:52:18,210 --> 01:52:16,030 to describe this and the kids are being 2848 01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:18,220 taught to levitate three different types 2849 01:52:23,010 --> 01:52:20,560 three different color balls one is very 2850 01:52:24,510 --> 01:52:23,020 easy one is sort of hard and one is very 2851 01:52:26,580 --> 01:52:24,520 very hard and they're teaching these 2852 01:52:28,860 --> 01:52:26,590 kids to levitate or the me laps 2853 01:52:30,330 --> 01:52:28,870 we'll talk about people they're out 2854 01:52:31,890 --> 01:52:30,340 there trying to find out what's their 2855 01:52:34,350 --> 01:52:31,900 psychic ability 2856 01:52:37,110 --> 01:52:34,360 can they levitate stuff can they operate 2857 01:52:39,140 --> 01:52:37,120 pieces of craft stuff like that so it's 2858 01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:39,150 once you interact with the craft so 2859 01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:42,490 Enrique may not have I'm just guessing 2860 01:52:47,580 --> 01:52:44,560 how he became an antenna because when he 2861 01:52:49,980 --> 01:52:47,590 first had it he was he had had some 2862 01:52:50,910 --> 01:52:49,990 sightings but he had not been on on a 2863 01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:50,920 craft or anything 2864 01:52:54,780 --> 01:52:52,810 and that's when he describes the thing 2865 01:52:56,430 --> 01:52:54,790 where he practices the automatic writing 2866 01:52:58,980 --> 01:52:56,440 nothing happens for three days and then 2867 01:53:01,200 --> 01:52:58,990 this being his standing there on the 2868 01:53:02,930 --> 01:53:01,210 third day and he said so you're gonna 2869 01:53:05,010 --> 01:53:02,940 dictate something to me and it's crazy 2870 01:53:07,380 --> 01:53:05,020 I'm ready and he said you're not the 2871 01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:07,390 antenna huh and then he goes back to his 2872 01:53:10,890 --> 01:53:09,850 group and that his group won't even 2873 01:53:12,930 --> 01:53:10,900 believe he won't believe this is the 2874 01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:12,940 story and he said the antenna will be 2875 01:53:16,500 --> 01:53:14,320 given to you it's already been chosen 2876 01:53:17,970 --> 01:53:16,510 and the one guy who wasn't at the 2877 01:53:19,950 --> 01:53:17,980 meeting when he backed went back to the 2878 01:53:22,380 --> 01:53:19,960 group the Rama group they was part of 2879 01:53:25,670 --> 01:53:22,390 the guy was missing and then the guy 2880 01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:25,680 came up and he said the guy was so so 2881 01:53:30,300 --> 01:53:27,730 into it that he was writing on napkins 2882 01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:30,310 and so I became the antenna but then he 2883 01:53:33,330 --> 01:53:31,930 started to have these encounters we 2884 01:53:35,460 --> 01:53:33,340 actually went on board the ship and that 2885 01:53:36,990 --> 01:53:35,470 baby when he became the antenna there 2886 01:53:38,610 --> 01:53:37,000 seems to be some sort of thing that when 2887 01:53:40,770 --> 01:53:38,620 you have the interaction with the beings 2888 01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:40,780 and that's the whole key is the people 2889 01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:42,130 who there are experiences that have 2890 01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:43,810 interacted with the being not one people 2891 01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:47,170 maybe a seen UFOs like I've seen UFOs 2892 01:53:51,060 --> 01:53:48,970 but I haven't had any sort of 2893 01:53:52,470 --> 01:53:51,070 interaction or ever actually interacted 2894 01:53:54,390 --> 01:53:52,480 with a being but once you've interacted 2895 01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:54,400 with the being then you become like this 2896 01:54:00,030 --> 01:53:56,560 experience or thing and then you form 2897 01:54:01,530 --> 01:54:00,040 this antenna pattern in the brain or it 2898 01:54:03,780 --> 01:54:01,540 may be there already that these people 2899 01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:03,790 are already chosen and then once they 2900 01:54:07,380 --> 01:54:05,410 interact with the craft it activates 2901 01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:07,390 this brain pattern and that's I guess 2902 01:54:11,130 --> 01:54:08,890 what they're trying to figure out is is 2903 01:54:12,900 --> 01:54:11,140 there something unique and from what 2904 01:54:15,260 --> 01:54:12,910 I've been told yes there is something 2905 01:54:17,310 --> 01:54:15,270 unique about the brain pattern of all 2906 01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:17,320 experiences and so we can actually 2907 01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:17,770 verify 2908 01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:19,810 somebody says they're an experiencer we 2909 01:54:23,670 --> 01:54:22,480 say okay we'll run a test and you send 2910 01:54:24,990 --> 01:54:23,680 the test and they'll tell you whether 2911 01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:25,000 you're actually an experiencer or 2912 01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:26,050 whether you just think you're an 2913 01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:27,730 experiencer you can actually find this 2914 01:54:33,330 --> 01:54:30,370 DNA marker and this brain pattern that 2915 01:54:34,770 --> 01:54:33,340 that is is reproducible and it can 2916 01:54:36,420 --> 01:54:34,780 actually prove to the scientific world 2917 01:54:38,610 --> 01:54:36,430 that these people aren't just people 2918 01:54:42,210 --> 01:54:38,620 making up stories 2919 01:54:44,540 --> 01:54:42,220 and as far as the contact DS go aside 2920 01:54:47,370 --> 01:54:44,550 from the message that you've been 2921 01:54:49,650 --> 01:54:47,380 hammering away on we're all connected 2922 01:54:51,870 --> 01:54:49,660 love is the answer 2923 01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:51,880 stuff that we probably shouldn't need eg 2924 01:54:57,000 --> 01:54:54,930 to tell us about is there anything else 2925 01:55:01,410 --> 01:54:57,010 consistent coming through any kind of a 2926 01:55:03,150 --> 01:55:01,420 message pattern beyond that well there's 2927 01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:03,160 the environmental message that most of 2928 01:55:06,780 --> 01:55:04,570 them get now some people are sort of 2929 01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:06,790 there's a dispute as to whether this is 2930 01:55:11,010 --> 01:55:08,770 actually an environmental message or 2931 01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:11,020 whether it's just testing fear powders 2932 01:55:16,110 --> 01:55:12,490 because they're they're very interested 2933 01:55:17,850 --> 01:55:16,120 in in the emotion of fear because they 2934 01:55:20,700 --> 01:55:17,860 don't seem to have it and fear is at a 2935 01:55:23,190 --> 01:55:20,710 left-brain emotion so one of the stories 2936 01:55:24,930 --> 01:55:23,200 was that all the implants were on the 2937 01:55:27,660 --> 01:55:24,940 right side of the body that was the 2938 01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:27,670 story I was told that Lear had said and 2939 01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:29,050 some people are disputing I've talked to 2940 01:55:32,460 --> 01:55:30,490 all the people that do abduction stuff 2941 01:55:34,230 --> 01:55:32,470 and that's the if it's on the right side 2942 01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:34,240 of the body then they're influencing the 2943 01:55:38,370 --> 01:55:36,850 right brain which is your non-local 2944 01:55:39,540 --> 01:55:38,380 brain your left brain rational 2945 01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:39,550 analytical brain is the one that's 2946 01:55:51,150 --> 01:55:43,570 basically shutting you out and that so 2947 01:55:55,260 --> 01:55:51,160 you have this pattern that is is 2948 01:56:01,410 --> 01:55:55,270 indicative of of the of the of the 2949 01:56:05,180 --> 01:56:01,420 contact okay we're coming up on two 2950 01:56:08,010 --> 01:56:05,190 hours despite the other the half time 2951 01:56:11,340 --> 01:56:08,020 difficulty do you have anything more for 2952 01:56:13,500 --> 01:56:11,350 grant James I know that's about it I 2953 01:56:16,380 --> 01:56:13,510 think I want to have grant down again it 2954 01:56:18,030 --> 01:56:16,390 possible he's open to that cuz we can go 2955 01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:18,040 off on a whole nother thing with the the 2956 01:56:23,250 --> 01:56:20,410 experiencers and rama and those Enders 2957 01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:23,260 because grass you might know I've been 2958 01:56:29,850 --> 01:56:25,810 involved in c-five for probably over a 2959 01:56:32,460 --> 01:56:29,860 decade yeah and and the the the antennas 2960 01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:32,470 that you talk about uh there's quite a 2961 01:56:40,500 --> 01:56:36,010 few of them within the c5 yeah I think 2962 01:56:42,090 --> 01:56:40,510 Joe Berks refers them as something has a 2963 01:56:43,620 --> 01:56:42,100 different name for so ever he's using 2964 01:56:45,060 --> 01:56:43,630 different names it's all this it's the 2965 01:56:47,550 --> 01:56:45,070 same principle that's where I was so 2966 01:56:49,620 --> 01:56:47,560 surprised that to the Stars was using 2967 01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:49,630 the actual antenna but it's you're not 2968 01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:52,330 yeah did you say it's an antenna pattern 2969 01:56:55,500 --> 01:56:54,130 but every is describing the same thing 2970 01:56:57,930 --> 01:56:55,510 so I I actually wrote a book called 2971 01:57:00,210 --> 01:56:57,940 inspired which is the paranormal world 2972 01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:00,220 of creativity where I go through all the 2973 01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:02,650 different like savants through musicians 2974 01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:05,410 artists people who write books and I 2975 01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:06,850 talked about these downloads things 2976 01:57:10,110 --> 01:57:08,650 where people get books downloaded in a 2977 01:57:11,970 --> 01:57:10,120 second it's the same thing it's this 2978 01:57:14,820 --> 01:57:11,980 antenna thing it's the ability to 2979 01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:14,830 disassociate from the left brain and tap 2980 01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:16,810 in to this phenomena this phenomena is 2981 01:57:20,820 --> 01:57:18,850 just beyond the physical world it's in 2982 01:57:22,740 --> 01:57:20,830 some sort of everything is consciousness 2983 01:57:24,930 --> 01:57:22,750 is a higher level and these people is 2984 01:57:28,380 --> 01:57:24,940 just the ability to dissociate so 2985 01:57:30,450 --> 01:57:28,390 antenna disassociation almost like a 2986 01:57:31,650 --> 01:57:30,460 medium you know you disassociate from 2987 01:57:32,850 --> 01:57:31,660 the physical world and suddenly you're 2988 01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:32,860 talking to your grandmother dead 2989 01:57:36,420 --> 01:57:34,330 grandmother and stuff like that it's 2990 01:57:38,730 --> 01:57:36,430 it's a basic principle that there's more 2991 01:57:41,130 --> 01:57:38,740 to the world in the physical world I've 2992 01:57:42,570 --> 01:57:41,140 got I've got one final question for you 2993 01:57:44,070 --> 01:57:42,580 if James if you've got something else 2994 01:57:46,260 --> 01:57:44,080 obviously I think grant will make the 2995 01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:46,270 time but my final question is let's say 2996 01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:47,770 somebody is listening to this and they 2997 01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:50,890 say to themselves I think this contact 2998 01:57:56,580 --> 01:57:52,690 stuff I think this is interesting I want 2999 01:57:58,680 --> 01:57:56,590 to give it a shot myself or maybe I want 3000 01:58:01,320 --> 01:57:58,690 to write the next great song the next 3001 01:58:03,750 --> 01:58:01,330 hit song that everybody sings as far as 3002 01:58:05,370 --> 01:58:03,760 creativity do you have any tips for some 3003 01:58:07,830 --> 01:58:05,380 of these people some things that they 3004 01:58:11,070 --> 01:58:07,840 might want to try out to help take their 3005 01:58:12,240 --> 01:58:11,080 game to the next level well there's lots 3006 01:58:14,250 --> 01:58:12,250 of different techniques that are used 3007 01:58:19,410 --> 01:58:14,260 there's pain 3008 01:58:21,500 --> 01:58:19,420 drumming psychedelics all these things 3009 01:58:24,030 --> 01:58:21,510 that that that shut down the ego-mind 3010 01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:24,040 meditation I say the number one that 3011 01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:26,530 people have to use is meditation you got 3012 01:58:33,990 --> 01:58:29,290 to shut your your talking brain down 3013 01:58:36,720 --> 01:58:34,000 your ego mind and learn to disassociate 3014 01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:36,730 there's piles of ways that people have 3015 01:58:43,500 --> 01:58:41,650 used to disassociate you know and so 3016 01:58:46,110 --> 01:58:43,510 once once you do that then you can pop 3017 01:58:48,930 --> 01:58:46,120 in but I think a lot of it is is natural 3018 01:58:51,630 --> 01:58:48,940 ability like musicians like I just wrote 3019 01:58:53,970 --> 01:58:51,640 this book called tuned in the paranormal 3020 01:58:56,460 --> 01:58:53,980 world of creative musicians and it's 3021 01:58:58,140 --> 01:58:56,470 like so many musicians are into UFOs and 3022 01:59:01,050 --> 01:58:58,150 and they've had download experiences 3023 01:59:03,090 --> 01:59:01,060 they're you know been on board ships and 3024 01:59:05,060 --> 01:59:03,100 stuff like that and so I think in a lot 3025 01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:05,070 of ways it's a natural thing that 3026 01:59:09,700 --> 01:59:07,250 musician 3027 01:59:11,890 --> 01:59:09,710 create artistic people are just more 3028 01:59:15,610 --> 01:59:11,900 right brained creative that's where when 3029 01:59:17,050 --> 01:59:15,620 they asked Roger Leir about the all the 3030 01:59:18,700 --> 01:59:17,060 people that he'd done the implants what 3031 01:59:21,240 --> 01:59:18,710 was the common thing with all these 3032 01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:21,250 people and he said they're all creative 3033 01:59:26,740 --> 01:59:24,770 they're all creative people and all 3034 01:59:28,660 --> 01:59:26,750 implants on the left side of the body 3035 01:59:30,370 --> 01:59:28,670 and this is this idea and he said 3036 01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:30,380 there's piles these people in Hollywood 3037 01:59:35,290 --> 01:59:33,170 so it's almost like because I know I I 3038 01:59:36,940 --> 01:59:35,300 did people say well you know there's all 3039 01:59:39,310 --> 01:59:36,950 sorts of experiences but I know I did a 3040 01:59:43,510 --> 01:59:39,320 thing for golfers I did a big thing at a 3041 01:59:45,340 --> 01:59:43,520 golf Country Club in in Scottsdale and I 3042 01:59:47,830 --> 01:59:45,350 was looking for a UFO experiencer who 3043 01:59:49,390 --> 01:59:47,840 was a golfer or somebody at a UFO said I 3044 01:59:52,990 --> 01:59:49,400 could not find a single one but if you 3045 01:59:55,090 --> 01:59:53,000 if you take musician and UFO put it into 3046 01:59:56,860 --> 01:59:55,100 a Google search your computer will start 3047 01:59:58,750 --> 01:59:56,870 on fire it's just unbelievable so I 3048 02:00:00,610 --> 01:59:58,760 think in some ways it's a natural 3049 02:00:03,130 --> 02:00:00,620 ability that people have almost like the 3050 02:00:05,230 --> 02:00:03,140 the mistake we make is is it one lifers 3051 02:00:07,270 --> 02:00:05,240 at multiple lives if it's reincarnation 3052 02:00:09,070 --> 02:00:07,280 it's multiple lives to hold UFO field 3053 02:00:11,560 --> 02:00:09,080 changes that a lot of these people are 3054 02:00:13,060 --> 02:00:11,570 coming into this world to have these 3055 02:00:15,070 --> 02:00:13,070 experiences that they already have the 3056 02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:15,080 ability when they come in and one of the 3057 02:00:18,790 --> 02:00:16,850 stories I had heard about the DNA marker 3058 02:00:21,160 --> 02:00:18,800 is it is there from birth I have not 3059 02:00:23,800 --> 02:00:21,170 confirmed that but if that is true then 3060 02:00:25,810 --> 02:00:23,810 it is an ability that you have when you 3061 02:00:27,310 --> 02:00:25,820 come in here and you may have planned to 3062 02:00:28,810 --> 02:00:27,320 have that ability you've you've planned 3063 02:00:31,780 --> 02:00:28,820 to be an experienced or you've planned 3064 02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:31,790 to have you know do this or whatever you 3065 02:00:40,750 --> 02:00:35,570 you came in to do god James you have 3066 02:00:48,730 --> 02:00:40,760 anything else just just one one more 3067 02:00:51,580 --> 02:00:48,740 question since you wrote unreleased 3068 02:00:53,590 --> 02:00:51,590 managing magic have there been any any 3069 02:00:55,360 --> 02:00:53,600 big revisions that you had because I 3070 02:00:56,680 --> 02:00:55,370 know you're coming out with the new few 3071 02:00:59,860 --> 02:00:56,690 new books one on those Enders but 3072 02:01:02,170 --> 02:00:59,870 another one concerning that I'm actually 3073 02:01:05,020 --> 02:01:02,180 not really no the only thing that I have 3074 02:01:08,410 --> 02:01:05,030 to change is Jim some even said I was 3075 02:01:10,300 --> 02:01:08,420 80% accurate and there was minor details 3076 02:01:11,320 --> 02:01:10,310 but the main thing was that he didn't 3077 02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:11,330 brief the President of the United States 3078 02:01:15,010 --> 02:01:13,370 I know where I heard that from somebody 3079 02:01:16,090 --> 02:01:15,020 else heard that but he said he didn't 3080 02:01:18,610 --> 02:01:16,100 brief the President of the United States 3081 02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:18,620 but really nothing what I'm adding on 3082 02:01:21,660 --> 02:01:20,050 now is is big 3083 02:01:23,220 --> 02:01:21,670 Stickley what happened from October on 3084 02:01:25,380 --> 02:01:23,230 because that book the book was written 3085 02:01:27,570 --> 02:01:25,390 before the news conference before it all 3086 02:01:30,540 --> 02:01:27,580 broke and there's a lot on Tom DeLonge 3087 02:01:31,710 --> 02:01:30,550 but it's more the the what we were 3088 02:01:33,540 --> 02:01:31,720 talking about today that's what the new 3089 02:01:35,460 --> 02:01:33,550 books gonna be about and particularly 3090 02:01:38,250 --> 02:01:35,470 this whole thing with with this 3091 02:01:40,350 --> 02:01:38,260 experience of thing which I a lot of 3092 02:01:42,180 --> 02:01:40,360 that stuff is being released right now I 3093 02:01:43,410 --> 02:01:42,190 knew a little bit about it be then I 3094 02:01:45,240 --> 02:01:43,420 didn't really write about it in the book 3095 02:01:48,450 --> 02:01:45,250 but really not much is gonna change in 3096 02:01:51,300 --> 02:01:48,460 in magic magic it was pretty pretty 3097 02:01:53,280 --> 02:01:51,310 accurate compared to you know from from 3098 02:02:00,030 --> 02:01:53,290 based upon all the stuff that's happened 3099 02:02:03,330 --> 02:02:00,040 since about two hours in Grant Cameron 3100 02:02:05,670 --> 02:02:03,340 I'll tell you what we may we may or may 3101 02:02:07,620 --> 02:02:05,680 not be experiencers on this end but 3102 02:02:10,260 --> 02:02:07,630 having you on the show is an experience 3103 02:02:13,110 --> 02:02:10,270 I'll tell you that well I appreciate 3104 02:02:15,750 --> 02:02:13,120 your interest and let's keep in touch 3105 02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:15,760 because stuff is happening as I say like 3106 02:02:19,230 --> 02:02:17,530 I really don't get really much time to 3107 02:02:21,330 --> 02:02:19,240 sleep I mean people do not realize how 3108 02:02:24,090 --> 02:02:21,340 much material is happening there's stuff 3109 02:02:26,460 --> 02:02:24,100 happening all the time here it's I'm a 3110 02:02:29,670 --> 02:02:26,470 sound silent but if you're interacting 3111 02:02:31,320 --> 02:02:29,680 with this these people there's a lot of 3112 02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:31,330 stuff and I think some important stuff I 3113 02:02:34,490 --> 02:02:32,770 mean you were getting some answers in 3114 02:02:40,740 --> 02:02:34,500 terms of what's actually going on and 3115 02:02:43,020 --> 02:02:40,750 the playoffs - yes and I said - I talked 3116 02:02:45,480 --> 02:02:43,030 to Jimmy Church because he's a big LA 3117 02:02:47,610 --> 02:02:45,490 fan and I said you know you won the Cup 3118 02:02:49,080 --> 02:02:47,620 in LA twice you didn't have a parade I 3119 02:02:50,610 --> 02:02:49,090 said you know if we win this down the 3120 02:02:52,350 --> 02:02:50,620 cup they're gonna burn the city down 3121 02:02:53,940 --> 02:02:52,360 because I mean I live in the middle of 3122 02:02:56,340 --> 02:02:53,950 nowhere nobody knows what the town is 3123 02:02:58,290 --> 02:02:56,350 and we have potentially one of the best 3124 02:03:00,510 --> 02:02:58,300 teams there is and we've never won a 3125 02:03:02,370 --> 02:03:00,520 playoff game and they have the big white 3126 02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:02,380 out they've closed an entire street 3127 02:03:05,610 --> 02:03:03,610 where everybody has to dress in white 3128 02:03:09,330 --> 02:03:05,620 there'll be 50,000 people outside the 3129 02:03:10,740 --> 02:03:09,340 arena and it's hopefully we don't get 3130 02:03:11,970 --> 02:03:10,750 knocked out in the first round but it's 3131 02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:11,980 like I don't think you will 3132 02:03:15,930 --> 02:03:13,690 yeah I like your chances in the first 3133 02:03:18,750 --> 02:03:15,940 round against the wild and sooner is 3134 02:03:20,010 --> 02:03:18,760 down I like your chances a lot yeah and 3135 02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:20,020 then the Nashville that'll be the big 3136 02:03:23,790 --> 02:03:21,610 one cuz in Nashville I like Nashville 3137 02:03:26,460 --> 02:03:23,800 I'd lay I don't mind if they win because 3138 02:03:27,810 --> 02:03:26,470 there's a town a sort of American place 3139 02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:27,820 where you never thought hockey would 3140 02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:29,440 take off where they do the same thing 3141 02:03:32,100 --> 02:03:30,490 where they put two people in the street 3142 02:03:33,419 --> 02:03:32,110 and stuff like that and they take it 3143 02:03:35,370 --> 02:03:33,429 serious so I read 3144 02:03:36,899 --> 02:03:35,380 if we lose to the to Nashville I think 3145 02:03:38,609 --> 02:03:36,909 we played them next so that'll be a big 3146 02:03:40,319 --> 02:03:38,619 series but there's a lot of big series 3147 02:03:42,419 --> 02:03:40,329 that means some big teams Boston there's 3148 02:03:44,310 --> 02:03:42,429 a lot of really good teams out there 3149 02:03:46,709 --> 02:03:44,320 this year yeah we should clinch here in 3150 02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:46,719 Philly today and we will see you in the 3151 02:03:56,370 --> 02:03:54,610 finals how about that absolutely and you 3152 02:03:58,199 --> 02:03:56,380 know that there that Wayne Gretzky guy I 3153 02:03:59,879 --> 02:03:58,209 think he had a little bit of psychic in 3154 02:04:01,859 --> 02:03:59,889 him with some of those passes he used to 3155 02:04:03,270 --> 02:04:01,869 make yeah yeah that's that's the thing 3156 02:04:04,770 --> 02:04:03,280 it's the ability it's like they are 3157 02:04:06,629 --> 02:04:04,780 talents like my kid was a pretty good 3158 02:04:08,219 --> 02:04:06,639 donkey player and some people are just 3159 02:04:11,370 --> 02:04:08,229 more talented than others they just seem 3160 02:04:13,049 --> 02:04:11,380 to pick it up faster well again thanks 3161 02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:13,059 for everything grant you got us off to 3162 02:04:16,439 --> 02:04:14,530 the best possible start we could 3163 02:04:17,910 --> 02:04:16,449 possibly have yes sure do appreciate it 3164 02:04:24,509 --> 02:04:17,920 thanks for having me first I appreciate 3165 02:04:30,989 --> 02:04:24,519 it sure thing sure thing okay James that 3166 02:04:33,179 --> 02:04:30,999 was fantastic oh yeah yeah I think 3167 02:04:37,319 --> 02:04:33,189 normally I'd like to do like a little 3168 02:04:39,120 --> 02:04:37,329 postgame wrap-up but this this one two 3169 02:04:42,270 --> 02:04:39,130 hours and I've got I've got some running 3170 02:04:44,429 --> 02:04:42,280 to do oh man I did there's so much that 3171 02:04:46,140 --> 02:04:44,439 he he was talking about that I had more 3172 02:04:51,239 --> 02:04:46,150 questions about like the all the other 3173 02:04:52,859 --> 02:04:51,249 programs no yes so much to say we had to 3174 02:04:55,589 --> 02:04:52,869 wear him down a little bit we had to get 3175 02:04:59,850 --> 02:04:55,599 him bonus later rounds before we could 3176 02:05:01,919 --> 02:04:59,860 get questions in he was gone oh yeah we 3177 02:05:05,609 --> 02:05:01,929 know that's that's the strategy next 3178 02:05:07,109 --> 02:05:05,619 time is we're gonna let himself out in 3179 02:05:10,890 --> 02:05:07,119 the first hour that we can get all our 3180 02:05:13,410 --> 02:05:10,900 questions in after that yeah oh man well 3181 02:05:15,810 --> 02:05:13,420 I wasn't let you go thanks for listening 3182 02:05:19,020 --> 02:05:15,820 everybody and we'll be back next week